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Re: Strict DOCTYPEs are wrong, use them only for debugging

• To: Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@i...>
• Subject: Re: Strict DOCTYPEs are wrong, use them only for debugging
• From: Rick Marshall <rjm@z...>
• Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 08:04:51 +1000
• Cc: XML Dev ML <xml-dev@l...>
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it is a little bit offtopic, but you need to know that if you don't use 
the strict dtd, ie won't let you dynamically set the content of a div - 
which means all ajax style documents must use the struct dtd.

and i guess in that sense it does affext this list (xml being integral 
to ajax).

btw i went through significant grief with ajax stuff working in firefox, 
but not ie before i realised (thanks to some googling) that this was the 
case.

more ajax means more strict dtds

regards

rick

Henri Sivonen wrote:

> On Jun 17, 2006, at 18:47, Frans Englich wrote:
>
>> According to this guy:
>>
>> "I see more and more websites using strict DOCTYPES, apparently  
>> webdevelopers
>> have some misguided notion that this is most correct thing to do and
>> guaranties the most consistent result. Nothing could be more wrong!"
>>
>> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2097
>>
>> But what do you think?
>
>
> First, I think this is off-topic for this list.
> See http://hsivonen.iki.fi/doctype/#xml
>
> I strongly disagree with the conclusions about the Standards Mode.  
> (Please don't call it "strict mode". It gives people wrong ideas.)
>
> If you are using IE 5 / Netscape 4-era features only, the Quirks  
> Modes in various browsers may be relatively stable for you. However,  
> assuming that using new features in the Quirks Mode is somehow  
> smarter than using them in the Standards Mode is just bogus. There's  
> no reason to believe that new CSS features work consistently in the  
> Quirks Modes of various browsers.
>
> The author is right that your stuff breaks if you rely on bugs in the  
> Standards Mode. Indeed, that is correct. However, the right solution  
> is not to use the Quirks Mode but the get a clue so that you know  
> what you are doing, so that you don't rely on bugs.
>
> (Yes, I am biased, because I've been promoting the Standards Mode for  
> something like six years now.)
>

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