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The XML-DEV BlogThe XML-DEV email discussion forum was started nearly 10 years ago by Dr. Peter Murray-Rust and Dr. Henry Rzepa of Imperial College (UK), covering XML development topics including XML standards, XML specifications, and technical questions related to the eXtensible Markup Language. The XML-DEV Blog brings the XML-DEV community into the blogging era, enabling XML developers to easily follow the hottest threads in the blogosphere. JOIN The Oracle XML Database Team (System level development - Fulltime pPosted 5/24/2012 5:40:16 PMHere is the Environment in which you will be working, inventing and patentingNative storage and Indexes for XML content that can be structured, semi-structured and unstructured.Query and manipulation of the content using XQuery 1.0, SQL/XML 2007, XSLT 1.0 XML repository that provides a file/folder . . . Read full entry » New CAM v2.2 XML Editor release with language localization supportPosted 5/22/2012 3:09:16 PMThe new release is now available with French, Spanish, Russian, Norwegian, Chinese and Japanese support from http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ecameditor%2Eorg&urlhash=1x2x&_t=tracking_anetHighlights of the new release include the following:o International localization . . . Read full entry » RE: ANN: a tool that makes it easier to extract information ouPosted 5/22/2012 2:54:06 PMRoger,This type of analysis and a whole lot more is supported by the CAM Editor also - see the Tools / Evaluation report option - and the "how to" video here: - http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/camprocessor/index.php?title=Tutorial.You can also make dictionaries of the components in your schem . . . Read full entry » ANN: a tool that makes it easier to extract information out of XMLSchemaPosted 5/19/2012 6:43:09 PMHi Folks, I created a tool that makes it easier for you to extract information out of XML Schemas. Here is the tool: http://www.xfront.com/XML-Schema-Tool-for-Easy-Information-Extraction/index.html Motivation for the tool: Here are a few examples of queries that I've needed to perform on s . . . Read full entry » [announcement] XForms and XQuery courses, June 2012 in Rockville, MarylaPosted 5/10/2012 8:21:47 AMA quick reminder: tomorrow is the deadline for the early-registration discount for the XForms and XQuery courses in June. --CMSMcQ [This announcement will be of interest primarily to those living in or near Washington, DC, or planning to travel there for the Joint Conference on Digital Librari . . . Read full entry » [ANN] Release of XMLmind XML Editor v5.2.1Posted 5/9/2012 12:59:30 PMXMLmind is happy to announce the version 5.2.1 of XMLmind XML Editor. _____________________________________________ XMLmind XML Editor Personal Edition v5.2.1 can be downloaded from http://www.xmlmind.com/xmleditor/download.shtml Professional Edition users, please upgrade using this form: h . . . Read full entry » Re: Validating data-* attributes in XHTML5?Posted 5/6/2012 1:59:49 AMGraham Hannington scripsit: > I am aware of http://html5.validator.nu/ and its associated > http://about.validator.nu/, and I am learning (for example, about Relax > NG). RELAX NG supports wildcard element and attribute names of the form *, prefix:*, and *:*, but not of the form data- . . . Read full entry » Validating data-* attributes in XHTML5?Posted 5/5/2012 9:59:24 PMPreamble (if you prefer, skip to the "Question(s)" heading): I am lagging (years) behind in my knowledge of HTML5 - I have been fixated on XHTML 1.0 Strict compliance - but I am trying to catch up. Someone (thank you, Chris!) recently pointed out to me that HTML5 allows attributes na . . . Read full entry » Re: Validating data-* attributes in XHTML5?Posted 5/5/2012 5:49:29 PMIn XSD 1.0 you can allow these attributes (and many others of course) by use of an <xs:anyAttribute> wildcard. In XSD 1.1 you can then constrain the attribute names that match the wildcard using assertions. It has always been the case, of course, that not all rules in the XHTML specific . . . Read full entry » RE: If I want to use catalogs for XSDs, must document instancePosted 5/2/2012 1:55:22 PMHi Graham, > <uri name="http://www.atlassian.com/schema/confluence/4/ac/" uri="confluence.xsd"/> in XML ValidatorBuddy you have a single command to add any W3C schema with a target namespace to the XML catalog to create such an <uri> entry for any following val . . . Read full entry » [ANN] BaseX 7.2.1: The Spring EditionPosted 4/27/2012 5:36:36 PMDear all, once more, we are proud to announce a new version of BaseX! And once more, we can provide you with a whole bunch of new features: * Our value indexes now support string-based range queries: http://docs.basex.org/wiki/Indexes#Value_Indexes A big thank you to our sponsors who made this . . . Read full entry » Re: Incompleteness of DurationPosted 4/25/2012 4:56:16 PMOn 25/04/2012 16:40, John Cowan wrote: > Greg Hunt scripsit: > >> To the extent that ISO is a culture all to itself (the ISO definition of a >> week does not align with traditional Christian, Islamic or Jewish calendars >> but does seem to be well suited for the Western w . . . Read full entry » Re: Incompleteness of DurationPosted 4/25/2012 12:16:30 PMTo the extent that ISO is a culture all to itself (the ISO definition of a week does not align with traditional Christian, Islamic or Jewish calendars but does seem to be well suited for the Western working week), Mike's point about the start, definition and numbering of weeks seems to be reinf . . . Read full entry » Re: Incompleteness of DurationPosted 4/25/2012 11:40:07 AMGreg Hunt scripsit: > To the extent that ISO is a culture all to itself (the ISO definition of a > week does not align with traditional Christian, Islamic or Jewish calendars > but does seem to be well suited for the Western working week), Mike's point > about the start, definition an . . . Read full entry » Re: If I want to use catalogs for XSDs, must document instancePosted 4/24/2012 9:50:58 AMJirka Kosek writes: > Might be I'm not understanding you correctly Liam, but IMHO namespace > URI is perfect way to *indirectly* say where the schema is located. Indeed the W3C XML Schema specification says this explicitly [1]: The author of a document uses namespace declarations to indi . . . Read full entry » RE: If I want to use catalogs for XSDs, must document instancePosted 4/24/2012 9:45:58 AMWhile the W3C Guidance is useful, it may not be what determines what and how Victor does this. Where and for whom Victor is writing the specification does. I have prepared several schemas as part of OASIS specifications. Those schemas followed OASIS rules for naming and location and support of R . . . Read full entry » Re: If I want to use catalogs for XSDs, must document instancePosted 4/24/2012 9:45:33 AMVictor Porton writes: > I am writing a standard about what should be located at namespace URLs. The W3C has already published guidance on this topic: you should look at the TAG finding Associating Resources with Namespaces [1] ht [1] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/nsDocuments/ -- . . . Read full entry » Re: If I want to use catalogs for XSDs, must document instancPosted 4/23/2012 11:59:18 PM23.04.2012, 23:53, "G. Ken Holman" <gkholman@CraneSoftwrights.com>: > I hope this is considered helpful, especially if > you've not heard of RDDL before. Yes, I've not hear about RDDL before. I've written a note that I sh . . . Read full entry » Re: If I want to use catalogs for XSDs, must document instancePosted 4/23/2012 11:44:41 PM23.04.2012, 23:28, "Liam R E Quin" <liam@w3.org>: > On Mon, 2012-04-23 at 12:31 +0200, Jirka Kosek wrote: > >> Å¡Might be I'm not understanding you correctly Liam, but IMHO namespace >> Å¡URI is perfect way to *indirectly* say where the . . . Read full entry » Re: If I want to use catalogs for XSDs, must document instancePosted 4/23/2012 4:53:19 PMAt 2012-04-23 23:44 +0300, Victor Porton wrote: >23.04.2012, 23:28, "Liam R E Quin" <liam@w3.org>: > > On Mon, 2012-04-23 at 12:31 +0200, Jirka Kosek wrote: > > > >> Might be I'm not understanding you correctly Liam, but IMHO nam . . . Read full entry » Re: If I want to use catalogs for XSDs, must documentinstancesPosted 4/23/2012 4:28:47 PMOn Mon, 2012-04-23 at 12:31 +0200, Jirka Kosek wrote: > Might be I'm not understanding you correctly Liam, but IMHO namespace > URI is perfect way to *indirectly* say where the schema is located. > > Good XML application support mapping file where namespace URI can be > mapped to . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/23/2012 1:54:17 PMHi Liam, Me again :-). > > > If the advertisement > > in the @xml:type does not match one of the client's > capabilities, no > > request to that xml:href URI will ever be made, saving the network > > bandwidth, and the server the effort of replying to a > . . . Read full entry » Re: If I want to use catalogs for XSDs, must document instancePosted 4/23/2012 12:31:58 PMOn 20.4.2012 8:00, Liam R E Quin wrote: > The answer is that you have to tell your schema processor how to find he > schemas, and that schemaLocation attributes are one way, but not the > only way - the program might have another way to do it - but doing it > based on namespace URIs w . . . Read full entry » Re: Incompleteness of DurationPosted 4/21/2012 7:54:14 PMI don't think a specification in such a messy area can ever be "complete". The recent confusion between the UK government and the European Court of Human Rights over exactly when a three-month "right to appeal" ended illustrates the kind of complexities involved. If you t . . . Read full entry » Re: Incompleteness of DurationPosted 4/21/2012 4:03:32 PMMichael Kay scripsit: > It's worth noting that whereas there is some kind of consensus on > when seconds, minutes, hours, days, months, and years start and end > (subject to timezone issues), there is no consensus on when a week > starts or ends. There is, however, an ISO standard: . . . Read full entry » Incompleteness of DurationPosted 4/21/2012 1:54:53 PMProbably not where to post tis, but a place where several of the right people will get it anyway. The duration data type is an incomplete instantiation of duration as defined in ISO8601. In particular, it omits weeks, which are very useful for many human-centric communications. As the in . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/21/2012 3:39:59 AMOn Fri, 2012-04-20 at 13:06 +0000, Rushforth, Peter wrote: [...] > My understanding of content negotiation is that the client sends an Accept > header with a list of weighted preferences. Yes. > If the advertisement > in the @xml:type does not match one of the client's capabilities . . . Read full entry » Re: If I want to use catalogs for XSDs, must document instancePosted 4/20/2012 9:43:20 PMThanks again for the coherent responses, Liam. Especially at 4 am. I hope you got a few hours of sleep before reading this! > No. In this case they should look at the confluence.xsd part. For > example, if your XML document was hosted at > http://www.example.org/docs/argyle.xml, then th . . . Read full entry » Request for review: DTD/XSDs for the Confluence Atlassian 4 storage formPosted 4/20/2012 4:30:00 PMFrom my earlier email: > [I am] hoping to learn more. And I am prepared to publicly expose my ignorance to do so On that note... I am a user of Atlassian Confluence, a commercial wiki product. I have no other affiliation with Atlassian, (Okay, I'm Australian, too.) Previous (3.x) versions . . . Read full entry » Re: If I want to use catalogs for XSDs, must document instancePosted 4/20/2012 3:45:56 PMI want to make it clear that, in the following schemaLocation attribute from my earlier emails: xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.atlassian.com/schema/confluence/4/ac/ confluence.xsd" there's (supposed to be; is, in my original) a space between the namespace URI: http://www.atlassian. . . . Read full entry » Re: If I want to use catalogs for XSDs, must document instancePosted 4/20/2012 3:33:25 PMLiam,Thank you very much for your quick and informative response, it's much appreciated.Regarding your statement:> doing it based on namespace URIs would not be a good wayI hope you don't think I'm splitting hairs; I sincerely want to understand this...Here's how I think it works. When an XML do . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/20/2012 1:06:35 PMLiam, > > On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 14:37 +0000, Rushforth, Peter wrote: > > The point is, the media type advertisement that is present in > > @xml:type _tells_ the crawler, or any other client, if they will be > > able to understand what is at the other end of the @xml:hre . . . Read full entry » If I want to use catalogs for XSDs, must document instances contain aschPosted 4/20/2012 12:29:30 PMIf I want a catalog-aware XML application (such as jEdit with XML plugin, or Altova XMLSpy 2012) to use a catalog to locate XSDs to validate XML document instances, must the XML document instances contain schemaLocation attributes?I want the answer to be "no", I think the answer is " . . . Read full entry » Re: If I want to use catalogs for XSDs, must document instancePosted 4/20/2012 9:01:21 AMOFBADDBEF8.B9640943-ON482579E6.0021A7E0-482579E6.0029832D@LocalDomain" type="cite"> That is, although an XML application isn't doing it based on the value of xmlns: attributes (as you say: "Neither should it."), it seems to me that it . . . Read full entry » Re: If I want to use catalogs for XSDs, must documentinstancesPosted 4/20/2012 4:01:18 AMOn Fri, 2012-04-20 at 15:33 +0800, Graham Hannington wrote: > [...] > When an XML document instance contains the > following schemaLocation attribute: > > xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.atlassian.com/schema/confluence/4/ac/ > confluence.xsd" > > my understand . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/20/2012 2:28:30 AMOn Thu, 2012-04-19 at 14:37 +0000, Rushforth, Peter wrote: > The point is, the media type advertisement > that is present in @xml:type _tells_ the crawler, or any other client, > if they will be able to understand what is at the other end of the > @xml:href. You can never assume that . . . Read full entry » Re: If I want to use catalogs for XSDs, must documentinstancesPosted 4/20/2012 2:00:17 AMOn Fri, 2012-04-20 at 12:29 +0800, Graham Hannington wrote: > If I want a catalog-aware XML application (such as jEdit with XML plugin, > or Altova XMLSpy 2012) to use a catalog to locate XSDs to validate XML > document instances, must the XML document instances contain schemaLocation . . . Read full entry » RE: RE: FootwearPosted 4/19/2012 7:31:55 PMMaybe someone will put out shoes that communicate with Google's new information-enhanced-reality glasses, so that the glasses can warn you when your feet are about to collide with something or step off a curb. > -----Original Message----- > From: Liam R E Quin [mailto:lia . . . Read full entry » Re: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/19/2012 4:52:21 PMRushforth, Peter scripsit: > Although they are strictly advisory, according to this note > > http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/mime-respect#metadata-hints Well, sure. Just because the client asks for the Lower Slobbovian translation doesn't obligate the server to provide it. -- "R . . . Read full entry » Re: RE: FootwearPosted 4/19/2012 3:19:15 PMPity - I was hoping for shoes that _looked_ like markup, with angle brackets for heel and toe, and maybe laces that read out attributes. That would be very cool ;-) Quoting Liam R E Quin <liam@w3.org>: > On Thu, 2012-04-19 at 09:11 -0400, ian.gr& . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/19/2012 2:57:25 PMEliot is a faithful and durable cat. He hoed to the end of that row. I bailed when I realized that past the basic ilink/clink concepts, I didn't have the foggiest notion what the rest of the spec was for. I was just too dumb. It's a features-in-contexts challenge. For the web where many media . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/19/2012 2:50:34 PMJohn, If XLink is to support the web , they should be added for sure. Although they are strictly advisory, according to this note http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/mime-respect#metadata-hints Cheers, Peter > -----Original Message----- > From: John Cowan [mailto:cowan@cc . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/19/2012 2:49:32 PMOn Thu, 2012-04-19 at 08:10 -0500, Len Bullard wrote: > Let's be fair. Hytime became Elliot's by award and rightfully given the > work he put into it, but it was being worked some years before Eliot. Yes. Eliot was, in a way, to HyTime as Yuri was to SGML. Layered and loosely-coupled syst . . . Read full entry » RE: RE: FootwearPosted 4/19/2012 2:46:11 PMAttach sensors in all the latest fashions and network them to situation awareness apps noting both personal and neighboring contexts. The possibilities are .... dreadful. Or a Saturday Night Live sketch. len From: Liam R E Quin [mailto:liam@w3.org] Sent: Thursday, April 1 . . . Read full entry » Re: RE: FootwearPosted 4/19/2012 2:43:57 PMOn Thu, 2012-04-19 at 09:11 -0400, ian.graham@utoronto.ca wrote: > Wow. XML Shoes. > > This puts Liam in a true quandary, doesn't it? :-) The shoes I was actually thinking of were from Nike I think, and communicated with an ipod (w . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/19/2012 2:37:33 PMHi Liam, > On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 12:05 +0000, Rushforth, Peter wrote: > [...] > > Web crawlers, to take one example, can't crawl xml, because > there is > > no reliable static markup to identify links in all xml. > > There's also no way to mark what's content, which . . . Read full entry » RE: FootwearPosted 4/19/2012 12:50:58 PMhttp://www.chictopia.com/xml-shoes-qq/xml/fashion/clothes-shoes ---------------------------------------- David A. Lee dlee@calldei.com http://www.xmlsh.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Norm Birkett [mailto:Norm.Birkett . . . Read full entry » FootwearPosted 4/19/2012 12:42:08 PM> -----Original Message----- > From: Liam R E Quin [mailto:liam@w3.org] ... > XML is used ... in shoes.... OK, not in _all_ shoes, but there were > some. Honest ;) ... Some sort of advanced, dynamic running shoe, maybe? Or ultra-high-heel platforms with self-ba . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/19/2012 10:18:30 AMFrom cited document: "For Web architecture, a design choice has been made that metadata received in an encapsulating container MUST be considered authoritative and used in preference to metadata found by inspection of the data, declared by embedded metadata, or provided by external reference . . . Read full entry » Re: RE: FootwearPosted 4/19/2012 9:11:00 AMWow. XML Shoes. This puts Liam in a true quandary, doesn't it? Quoting David Lee <dlee@calldei.com>: > http://www.chictopia.com/xml-shoes-qq/xml/fashion/clothes-shoes > > ---------------------------------------- > David A. Lee > &# . . . Read full entry » Re: FootwearPosted 4/19/2012 8:56:53 AMStrangely, shoes using XML doesn't really seem that far out these days. I work with a lot of remote sensor and system monitoring devices and although I haven't seen XML coming off the devices yet I have seen some talk about it. Many of the device manufacturers provide gateways to access d . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/19/2012 8:10:49 AMLet's be fair. Hytime became Elliot's by award and rightfully given the work he put into it, but it was being worked some years before Eliot. In fact, if you have the technical history of Hytime by example, you have most of everything ever tried in hypertext linking. The original drafts are almo . . . Read full entry » [ANN] Relax NG validation tool Serene 0.6.1 releasedPosted 4/19/2012 7:39:54 AMThis is a one-time post to announce the Serene 0.6.1 release. The purpose of the Serene project is to create an open source validation engine implementing the JAXP 1.3 Validation Framework API for RELAX NG, that concentrates on good messages and a clear handling of ambiguity and conflicts. For t . . . Read full entry » Re: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/19/2012 1:57:46 AMLiam R E Quin scripsit: > Indeed, different HTTP clients (browsers) might receive different > formats, depending on the Accept: HTTP headers they send. Which is why XInclude has xi:include/@accept and xi:include/@accept-language headers, so that including documents can specify a particular . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/19/2012 12:19:32 AMOn Tue, 2012-04-17 at 12:05 +0000, Rushforth, Peter wrote: [...] > Web crawlers, to take one example, can't crawl xml, because there is no reliable static > markup to identify links in all xml. There's also no way to mark what's content, which elements break phrases, how to make elements bo . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/17/2012 4:59:08 PMLen, Pleasantly surprised! > You might be surprised to know I support the idea, Peter. In > days of old, SGML hypertext systems did not require > downtranslation to a gencode > such as HTML and it's family of variants. We could create a DTD, > create a stylesheet correspond . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/17/2012 3:59:49 PMNo problem. I'm in the unique slot, as Ken Holmann said, to eat my own dog food. I probably am the one who inserted those references to Hytime some decades ago before I left for another life; so evolution has bypassed this backwater of markup. It is definitely ripe for upgrades and it is a ma . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/17/2012 12:05:15 PMHi Len, The scope for these attributes is web linking. I can see that there should be a strict constraint on what gets put into the xml namespace. xml codifies a very few but very important things. xml:lang, xml:base and a couple of others. My point of view on this is that html is "big&qu . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/17/2012 8:48:34 AMYou might be surprised to know I support the idea, Peter. In days of old, SGML hypertext systems did not require downtranslation to a gencode such as HTML and it's family of variants. We could create a DTD, create a stylesheet corresponding to it and using the reserved attributes of the specifi . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/16/2012 11:55:18 PMNot to preach, but I have always felt that respect for what has been achieved is a good place to start any conversation. I am merely asking why some simple steps can't be taken to move the yardsticks a bit. Not any steps: the steps I am proposing. Cheers, Peter ________________________________ . . . Read full entry » Re: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/16/2012 8:53:04 PM>XML on the web is difficult, so I would say XML has fallen short of this goal in at least one respect: it's not a hypermedia format. It's not an EDI standard either, or a format for mail archives, or a format for publishing scientific articles, or sheet music, or browser history files, or . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/16/2012 8:02:34 PMNot to worry, Peter. We've practiced. :) Essentially, xml:href adds application semantics to the XML specification. XML abhors application semantics in its specification. Adding those violates the simplicity constraint. Application specifications are free to do that. IOW, you are asking the . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/16/2012 7:22:16 PMHi Liam, > The goal was to put SGML on the Web. It was difficult to use > SGML on the Web at the time. XML on the web is difficult, so I would say XML has fallen short of this goal in at least one respect: it's not a hypermedia format. You don't have to get 100% on the exam to be a suc . . . Read full entry » Re: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/16/2012 6:03:45 PM>> If that's the case, then I'm sceptical about >> whether this information belongs in the XML. > Why are you sceptical? > Remember third normal form? My postcode is RG4 7BS. That's a relationship, between me and where I live. If I want to record my postcode in an XML data fil . . . Read full entry » Re: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/16/2012 5:40:08 PMOn 16 April 2012 15:41, Rushforth, Peter <Peter.Rushforth@nrcan-rncan.gc.ca> wrote: >> However, I think >> the first reaction was to point you towards XLink and XPointer. > > Yes, others have pointed tha . . . Read full entry » XML "Web" services (was: RE: xml:href, xml:rel andxml:type)Posted 4/16/2012 5:05:17 PMHi Dan, I forked the thread because I think it stands apart from the original topic. > I'd encourage you (if you haven't already) to dip into the > 1000s of messages and posts that have been written about > XHTML 'vs' non-XML HTML (HTML5, WHATWG, etc.). > Thanks for the reminders . . . Read full entry » Re: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/16/2012 4:43:26 PM> I'm not suggesting that. I'm suggesting @xml:rel as a way of capturing > the name of the relationships: > > <factory xml:href="http://example.com/willy-wonkas-chocolate-factory/location" xml:rel="location" xml:type="application/xml"> > <nam . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/16/2012 4:27:53 PMHi Mike, > > I'm not suggesting that. I'm suggesting @xml:rel as a way of > > capturing the name of the relationships: > > > > <factory > > > xml:href="http://example.com/willy-wonkas-chocolate-factory/location" > > xml:rel="location&q . . . Read full entry » Re: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/16/2012 4:15:02 PMOn 4/16/12 3:22 PM, Rushforth, Peter wrote: > Hi Liam, > >> The goal was to put SGML on the Web. It was difficult to use SGML >> on the Web at the time. > > XML on the web is difficult, so I would say XML has fallen short of > this goal in at least one respect: it's not . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/16/2012 3:36:52 PMAnd so it begins. The early HTML people disdained SGML as overbuilt and too hard to understand because they had yet to understand how and why it worked for the applications to which it had been applied. The SGML people returned the disdain but helped them anyway. Some decades on, as predicted, . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/16/2012 3:29:27 PMHi Len, > > It's a side issue but what relationship is explicit by enclosure? > > IS-A or HAS-A? > > Seems simple enough but this is where this has fallen apart > in the past. > We think it is a simple, easy to recognize relationship and > it turns out what we th . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/16/2012 3:14:03 PMAs dull and tedious and odious as it would be, I suppose someone should tell without names what the history of SGML/XML is and why it is applied in all kinds of data storage and retrieval systems including hypermedia and hypertext. The point in short is, XML isn't a format. It is a system, spec . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/16/2012 3:03:47 PMHi Mike, > > > On 13/04/2012 13:36, Rushforth, Peter wrote: > > > > > > I am interested in RESTful applications, and in thinking about the > > space, I have come to think that XML, while wonderful for creating > > your own domain specific vocabulary, als . . . Read full entry » Re: three-vowel element names (was Re: xml:href,xml:Posted 4/16/2012 1:53:32 PMOn 16/04/2012 13:21, Mike Sokolov wrote: > I'm having some difficulty seeing the value in a rule that would > form links for elements with three vowels in their names. Maybe if > you had a better example, the world would flock to implement this? > Seriously - what are you on about . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/16/2012 1:41:32 PMHi Liam, Thanks for your reply. > > > As I understand it, mastery of the web was a goal of XML, > so I'm just > > dreaming a little. > > It was not a goal of XML. > > The primary goal of XML was getting existing SGML documents > and work-flows onto the Web. . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/16/2012 1:17:29 PMPeople don't remember (because there were none) that the Cambrian Moment was many millions of years long. If the W3C puts up policy objections to an official history being written, remind them that if they don't, someone like me will write it and put it on the web. ;) len -----Original Message- . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/16/2012 12:58:52 PMOn Mon, 2012-04-16 at 13:41 +0000, Rushforth, Peter wrote: > 1. XML shall be straightforwardly usable over the Internet. > > OK, this is not "mastery of the web", but the Web is an important > application of the internet. The goal was to put SGML on the Web. It was difficu . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/16/2012 10:17:58 AMIt's a side issue but what relationship is explicit by enclosure? IS-A or HAS-A? Seems simple enough but this is where this has fallen apart in the past. We think it is a simple, easy to recognize relationship and it turns out what we think we know just ain't so. The evidence only supports . . . Read full entry » Re: three-vowel element names (was Re: xml:href,xml:Posted 4/16/2012 8:41:46 AMOn Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 6:53 AM, David Carlisle <davidc@nag.co.uk> wrote: The point is that xlinks major (fatal really) failing is that it forces attribute names on the vocabularies that use it. (Its bad enough that xml:id forces a name but the issues are . . . Read full entry » three-vowel element names (was Re: xml:href, xml:rel andxml:tyPosted 4/16/2012 8:21:14 AMOn 4/15/2012 2:56 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote: > The biggest problem I see with XLink is that it did not address "link > discovery through architectural forms" - the process of saying, "in this > XML vocabulary, the "cf" attribute on any element with three vowels in & . . . Read full entry » XML's original goalsPosted 4/15/2012 11:51:34 PMOn 15 April 2012 20:56, Liam R E Quin <liam@w3.org> wrote: > On Fri, 2012-04-13 at 12:59 +0000, Rushforth, Peter wrote: >> [...] > >> As I understand it, mastery of the web was a goal of >> XML, so I'm just dreaming a little . . . Read full entry » Re: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/15/2012 7:04:53 PMOn 13/04/2012 13:36, Rushforth, Peter wrote: > > > I am interested in RESTful applications, and in thinking about the space, I have come > to think that XML, while wonderful for creating your own domain specific vocabulary, > also suffers from that very strength: too many re-inve . . . Read full entry » Re: XML's original goalsPosted 4/15/2012 6:52:26 PMOn Sun, 2012-04-15 at 23:51 +0200, Dan Brickley wrote: > Talking of origins and goals (and btw c.f. > http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xml11-20040204/#sec-origin-goals ) Yup, although the original poster's question was more about the politics behind those goals I think... > ...wouldn't it . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/15/2012 2:56:14 PMOn Fri, 2012-04-13 at 12:59 +0000, Rushforth, Peter wrote: > [...] > As I understand it, mastery of the web was a goal of > XML, so I'm just dreaming a little. It was not a goal of XML. The primary goal of XML was getting existing SGML documents and work-flows onto the Web. The work wa . . . Read full entry » Re: XMP to XML translation?Posted 4/13/2012 6:09:28 PMMichael Hopwood wrote: > Hi all, > > > > I’m looking for a quick and simple method to transform XMP files into > well-formed XML, From a quick look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Metadata_Platform, it looks like XMP is RDF/XML. (However, I can't tell i . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/13/2012 2:17:51 PM> From: Toby Considine [mailto:tobyconsidine@gmail.com] On > Subject: RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:type > > And then there is the issue of declaring special purpose XML > lexicons. Please clarify. I think this is an important po . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/13/2012 1:58:46 PMHi Toby, Thanks for your response. I don't think I understand your message. I'm not talking about addressing within a document but between documents, on the web, using URIs. I don't think XPath is in scope in other words. Cheers, Peter > -----Original Message----- > From: Toby Consid . . . Read full entry » Re: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/13/2012 1:51:48 PMOn 13/04/2012 13:36, Rushforth, Peter wrote: > Hi there, > > @xml:href As far as I understand your suggestion, having built in link semantics was part of the original 3-part plan for XML (along with styling) but that's xlink:href rather than xml:href. I can't see that adding another stan . . . Read full entry » Re: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/13/2012 1:49:55 PM> So that makes me wonder if > XML would benefit from a _single_ simple link standard, inherited by all XML vocabularies > in the same manner as xml:base, xml:lang . Just checking as you didn't mention it - are you aware of xlink: http://www.w3.org/TR/xlink/ Usually when this question . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/13/2012 1:17:47 PM> From: David Carlisle [mailto:davidc@nag.co.uk] > Subject: Re: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:type > > On 13/04/2012 13:36, Rushforth, Peter wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > @xml:href > > As far as I understand your su . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/13/2012 12:59:09 PMYes I'm aware of xlink. The reason I'm thinking about going lower in the layer stack is the re-invention thing. Not that XLink is not useful, but for example atom did not use it, and there are probably other examples. Maybe just the fact that the document has to define the namespace is enough . . . Read full entry » xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/13/2012 12:36:50 PMHi there, I posted this to an 'official' w3c list but didn't get any response. That could mean one of several things... ;-). I am interested in "XML on the web". Some say it failed! I beg to differ. But, how could the story improve, I wonder? I am interested in RESTful applica . . . Read full entry » [ANN] depx - a simple package manager for xml tech (and more)Posted 4/13/2012 11:52:37 AMIts early days, but I thought best to throw this into the wild ... depx is a package manager that I made for selfish personal reasons, its got a lot of rough edges and may not do what most ppl expect of a package manager, but open to any suggestions. What is depx ? Its a package manager that . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/13/2012 10:16:58 AMI agree that is how it has traditionally been considered. We had to wrestle with this problem in WS-Calendar, in which services are scheduled and service entry points and XML documents are intertwined with iCalendar information (RFC5545) in ways compatible with xCal (RFC6321). The use cases to ex . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/13/2012 10:03:10 AMAnd then there is the issue of declaring special purpose XML lexicons. Just as I need a mime type for traditional references, and one needs an application type for, say, the "mailto" type link, there should, of ging down this path, be a place to create/register additional application-nam . . . Read full entry » RE: xml:href, xml:rel and xml:typePosted 4/13/2012 9:54:10 AMIf one were to go down this path, relative addressing, as in xpath, would need to be in the mix. I find that when I use these constructs, though, I confuse users. "If something is not worth doing, it`s not worth doing well" - Peter Drucker Toby Considine TC9, Inc TC Chair: oBIX & . . . Read full entry » RE: XMP to XML translation?Posted 4/12/2012 7:05:31 AMThanks Lech, That sounds simpler than I thought... OK. It sounds like I can just plug in the XMP elements to the XSD I already have for the target schema without an intermediary schema...? Great! :) this is actually what I was thinking would be best but wasn't sure if it could be that simple, as . . . Read full entry » Re: XMP to XML translation?Posted 4/11/2012 8:10:51 PMOn 10 April 2012 17:46, Michael Hopwood <michael@editeur.org> wrote: > Hi all, > I’m looking for a quick and simple method to transform XMP files into > well-formed XML, possibly according to an extremely simplified schema . . . Read full entry » XMP to XML translation?Posted 4/10/2012 4:46:45 PMHi all, I’m looking for a quick and simple method to transform XMP files into well-formed XML, possibly according to an extremely simplified schema (i.e. effectively a root node and a list of allowed elements from selected namespaces, all with cardinality 0-n). The use case here is . . . Read full entry » Re: XMP to XML translation?Posted 4/10/2012 11:54:29 AMIs there something here that might help? http://www.CraneSoftwrights.com/resources/#XMP What I found with the flat XMP structure is that it was too restrictive for me to include my own XML as marked up XML ... I ended up including it as escaped text and I wrote a stylesheet to translate t . . . Read full entry » Re: Generate xml instance from DTD?Posted 4/10/2012 7:21:27 AMOn 09/04/12 16:53, Cezar Andrei wrote: > Hi Dave, > > You could try xsd2inst tool from XMLBeans<http://xmlbeans.apache.org/> > http://xmlbeans.apache.org/ . > See details<http://xmlbeans.apache.org/docs/2.0.0/guide/tools.html#xsd2inst>at: > http://xmlbeans.apache.org/ . . . Read full entry » Re: Generate xml instance from DTD?Posted 4/9/2012 2:53:37 PMMandatory elements and attributes are always generated. Optional elements and attributes are generated if specified.- Gerben Abbink XMLBlueprint.comOn Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 9:30 AM, davep <davep@dpawson.co.uk> wrote: On 06/04/12 08:14 . . . Read full entry » Re: Generate xml instance from DTD?Posted 4/9/2012 10:53:59 AMHi Dave,You could try xsd2inst tool from http://xmlbeans.apache.org/ http://xmlbeans.apache.org/ .See http://xmlbeans.apache.org/docs/2.0.0/guide/tools.html#xsd2inst at: http://xmlbeans.apache.org/docs/2.0.0/guide/tools.html#xsd2inst It's available in Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install xmlbeans , als . . . Read full entry » Re: Validation of complex contentPosted 4/6/2012 10:33:39 AMHi Edwin, Henri Sivonen uses the datatype libraries for his (X)HTML5 validator. This may be an interesting example for you, see: http://about.validator.nu/#details http://hsivonen.iki.fi/html5-datatypes/ Best Regards, George -- George Cristian Bina <oXygen/> XML Editor, Schema Editor and . . . Read full entry » Re: Generate xml instance from DTD?Posted 4/6/2012 9:14:18 AMDave,Generating an XML instance from a DTD is supported in XMLBlueprint XML Editor: open your DTD and select Schema > Generate Sample XML from DTD.- Gerben Abbink XMLBlueprint.com On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 9:30 AM, davep <davep@dpawson.co.u . . . Read full entry » Re: Generate xml instance from DTD?Posted 4/6/2012 9:13:52 AMHi Dave, oXygen includes an XML Schema instance generator tool, see "Tools -> Generate sample XML files". You can convert the DTD to XML Schema first then use that to generate instance documents. Best Regards, George -- George Cristian Bina <oXygen/> XML Editor, Schema Edito . . . Read full entry » Re: Generate xml instance from DTD?Posted 4/6/2012 8:30:18 AMOn 06/04/12 08:14, XMLBlueprint Team wrote: > Dave, > > Generating an XML instance from a DTD is supported in XMLBlueprint XML > Editor: open your DTD and select Schema> Generate Sample XML from DTD. > > - Gerben Abbink > XMLBlueprint.com Thanks Gerben. Does it output . . . Read full entry » Fw: [members] New white paper on interoperability guidelines published bPosted 4/5/2012 10:23:45 PMVery interestring and useful... /r$ -- STSM, WebSphere Appliance Architect https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/soma/ > From: Chet Ensign <chet.ensign@oasis-open.o&# . . . Read full entry » Re: Validation of complex contentPosted 4/5/2012 10:25:44 AMHello George, > You should look also into Relax NG datatype libraries - basically you can > define a type for your expressions and write an implementation for that > datatype for your Relax NG processor, Jing for example, then you should be > able to use that from a Relax NG schema. . . . Read full entry » RE: Unqualified forms and Inheritance by RestrictionPosted 4/5/2012 10:05:17 AMThanks, Michael (again). I have been back to puzzling over this, and trying slight changes in xsd, trying to make sure I understand what you wrote. I don’t think I do. The approach I outlined seems to “trick” the tools into generating and validating the artifacts the wa . . . Read full entry » Re: Validation of complex contentPosted 4/4/2012 9:56:39 PMHi Edwin, You should look also into Relax NG datatype libraries - basically you can define a type for your expressions and write an implementation for that datatype for your Relax NG processor, Jing for example, then you should be able to use that from a Relax NG schema. Best Regards, George . . . Read full entry » [announcement] XForms and XQuery courses, June 2012 in Rockville, MarylaPosted 4/3/2012 5:35:19 PM[This announcement will be of interest primarily to those living in or near Washington, DC, or planning to travel there for the Joint Conference on Digital Libraries this June, and to those interested in XForms and/or XQuery training. If you know others who meet that description, please forward t . . . Read full entry » Re: Validation of complex contentPosted 4/2/2012 11:35:57 AMHello David, > If you wanted to stick to pure xml solutions without using extensions to > another language you could look at Dimitre Novatchev's LR parser > generator written in Xpath. Thank you very much for this, this looks very impressive and I will definitely give it a try. Kind re . . . Read full entry » Re: Validation of complex contentPosted 4/2/2012 10:56:11 AMOn 30/03/2012 13:35, Edwin Dankert wrote: > The expression language is quite complex and cannot be represented by > a regular-expression. The syntax is however specified using EBNF and > only the syntax needs to be validated. If you wanted to stick to pure xml solutions without using ex . . . Read full entry » Re: Validation of complex contentPosted 4/2/2012 10:46:15 AM>Is there an agreed validation mechanism for open-standards based on XML, i.e. do they only release a set of files which allow for validation (xml schema, relaxng) or do they release a tool which provides the validation when not all constraints can be captured using these languages? I thin . . . Read full entry » Re: Validation of complex contentPosted 4/2/2012 10:39:10 AMHello John, Thank you very much for this. > Then it is certainly beyond the power of any standard XML tool. You will > have to translate the EBNF into an ANTLR or Packrat grammar, or something > similar depending on what language you are using. This should be a > straightforward ef . . . Read full entry » Re: Validation of complex contentPosted 4/2/2012 10:38:51 AMHello Michael, Thank you very much for your reply. I really like this solution (and I wasn't aware of this feature in Saxon) it would fit in very nicely with our current set of tools and it would allow to specify this complex constraint in the same place as the definition of the element in the XM . . . Read full entry » Generate xml instance from DTD?Posted 4/2/2012 8:30:40 AMhttp://java.net/downloads/msv/nightly/ Ex Sun xmlgen generates test content from a DTD/Schema, but uses Japanese content? From the help there seems no way to request English content? Anyone know of other such generators please? Input Schema, root element, output, random, valid XML? regards . . . Read full entry » Re: Validation of complex contentPosted 3/30/2012 5:34:58 PMIf you don't mind a solution that's tied to one schema processor, Saxon allows you to use the XSD 1.1 xs:assert feature, and to call out to java from the assertions, so you can do arbitrarily complex procedural validation. Michael Kay Saxonica On 30/03/2012 13:35, Edwin Dankert wrote: > He . . . Read full entry » Validation of complex contentPosted 3/30/2012 1:35:32 PMHello, I hope you can guide me in the best way to proceed with this validation issue. I have a XML structure with most of the nodes representing simple data, like names, references and numeric values. <person> <name>John<name> <salary>1000<salary> </person&g . . . Read full entry » Unique European XML lectures by expert Ken HolmanPosted 3/30/2012 12:38:21 PMTitle: [Test]: Unique XML lectures by Ken Holman Open Source Academy has found Mr. G. Ken Holman, renowned XML expert, willing to come over to Europe to present a series of four courses on XML, XSLT and e-commerce. This is a unique one-time opportunity to learn first hand fro . . . Read full entry » Re: Validation of complex contentPosted 3/30/2012 11:22:56 AMEdwin Dankert scripsit: > The expression language is quite complex and cannot be represented by > a regular-expression. The syntax is however specified using EBNF and > only the syntax needs to be validated. Then it is certainly beyond the power of any standard XML tool. You will have . . . Read full entry » Re: Boolean XMLPosted 3/30/2012 11:05:39 AMAt 2012-03-30 10:48 -0400, Toby Considine wrote: >I have a project wherein I may need to parameterize some Boolean >service criteria as they apply to service interactions > >Apply this service request to all types that match A, where A may be > > >(A) >(A)OR(B) >(A)AND( . . . Read full entry » Boolean XMLPosted 3/30/2012 10:48:21 AMI have a project wherein I may need to parameterize some Boolean service criteria as they apply to service interactions Apply this service request to all types that match A, where A may be (A)(A)OR(B)(A)AND(B)AND(C)(A)NOT(B) Etc. Is there is some standard dialect or patter . . . 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The latest version offers the following new features: * support for the new RESTXQ API for building XQuery web services [1] * improved support for running BaseX as web application [2] * XQuery: higher order fun . . . Read full entry » [ANN] Zorba 2.2 "Coeus" is outPosted 3/23/2012 11:13:27 AMHello Gang, We are very excited to announce the release of Zorba 2.2, codename "Coeus". The release announcement is available at http://www.zorba-xquery.com/html/entry/2012/03/22/Zorba_22 and the ChangeLog at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/97678336/ChangeLog. We hope that you will enjo . . . Read full entry » Re: Using XML (or JSON) for inter-thread communicationPosted 3/19/2012 9:00:06 PMThanks to everyone for comments on this thread today. Most useful food for thought. Pete Cordell Codalogic Ltd Interface XML to C++ the easy way using C++ XML data binding to convert XSD schemas to C++ classes. Visit http://codalogic.com/lmx/ or http://www.xml2cpp.com for more info ----- Origin . . . Read full entry » Re: Using XML (or JSON) for inter-thread communicationPosted 3/19/2012 5:43:49 PM> I assume that under some circumstances it's possible to generate a > number of fragments of an output document in parallel and then merge > the fragments at the end of the operation. If so, is XSLT > functionalism sufficient to do that automatically, or would some > external . . . Read full entry » Re: Using XML (or JSON) for inter-thread communicationPosted 3/19/2012 5:43:10 PMWe have use case where we need to see the results of documents processed earlier in our pipeline, but in a parallel processing environment they may not have finished writing yet. In a single xslt we are mostly protected from this since the results of doc() and other external sources of input . . . Read full entry » Re: Using XML (or JSON) for inter-thread communicationPosted 3/19/2012 4:52:42 PMOriginal Message From: "Michael Kay" > On 19/03/2012 14:44, Andrew Welch wrote: >> On 19 March 2012 14:36, John Cowan wrote: >>> Andrew Welch scripsit: >>> >>>> As far as I know, as we all move towards functional programming we >>>> won . . . Read full entry » Re: Using XML (or JSON) for inter-thread communicationPosted 3/19/2012 3:21:30 PMOn 19 March 2012 14:34, Pete Cordell <petexmldev@codalogic.com> wrote: .. > One of the problems is sharing state across threads and getting race > conditions etc. > > However, systems like web services are effectively multi-process / > multi- . . . Read full entry » Re: Using XML (or JSON) for inter-thread communicationPosted 3/19/2012 3:13:50 PMOn 19/03/2012 14:44, Andrew Welch wrote: > On 19 March 2012 14:36, John Cowan<cowan@mercury.ccil.org> wrote: >> Andrew Welch scripsit: >> >>> As far as I know, as we all move towards functional programming we >>> won' . . . Read full entry » Re: Using XML (or JSON) for inter-thread communicationPosted 3/19/2012 2:44:43 PMOn 19 March 2012 14:36, John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org> wrote: > Andrew Welch scripsit: > >> As far as I know, as we all move towards functional programming we >> won't have to worry too much about it a . . . Read full entry » Re: Using XML (or JSON) for inter-thread communicationPosted 3/19/2012 2:20:03 PMOriginal Message From: "John Cowan" > All that parsing and unparsing would be expensive: That was certainly one of my concerns, does it scale (unscale?!) to the tiny? If the cost of serialization is small compared to the number of cores you can throw at a problem then it might co . . . Read full entry » Re: Using XML (or JSON) for inter-thread communicationPosted 3/19/2012 2:10:34 PMOn 19 March 2012 13:34, Pete Cordell <petexmldev@codalogic.com> wrote: > We all know that increasing processor speed has pretty much run its course > (for now) and that the way to increased system performance is via u . . . Read full entry » RE: Using XML (or JSON) for inter-thread communicationPosted 3/19/2012 1:45:09 PMNothing multithreaded is ever simplified :) However point taken. This is a common use case for example BPEL defines endpoints in such a way that can be multithreaded or multi system (but it uses that legacy protocol some may have heard of "SOAP"). xmlsh does this in the language itself . . . Read full entry » Using XML (or JSON) for inter-thread communicationPosted 3/19/2012 1:34:28 PMWe all know that increasing processor speed has pretty much run its course (for now) and that the way to increased system performance is via using multiple cores and threads. However, parallel programming is difficult. One of the problems is sharing state across threads and getting race condi . . . Read full entry » Re: Unqualified forms and Inheritance by RestrictionPosted 3/19/2012 11:36:41 AMIn an attempt to redeem myself... Following on from Michael Kay's comments, when using XSD1.0, the only real way to do it is declare your restricted schema to have the same target namespace as the Base schema. I think one way to get around this is to define a 'wrapper' schema and then xs:inclu . . . Read full entry » Re: Using XML (or JSON) for inter-thread communicationPosted 3/19/2012 11:01:43 AMAndrew Welch scripsit: > >> As far as I know, as we all move towards functional programming we > >> won't have to worry too much about it as it gets taken care of for > >> us. > > > > Good luck with that. > > Is that not the case? Disclaimer: I'm not . . . Read full entry » Re: Using XML (or JSON) for inter-thread communicationPosted 3/19/2012 10:36:43 AMAndrew Welch scripsit: > As far as I know, as we all move towards functional programming we > won't have to worry too much about it as it gets taken care of for us. Good luck with that. > On this topic (sort of), this is an interesting article I read the > other day where they took . . . Read full entry » [ANN] Release of XMLmind XML Editor v5.2Posted 3/19/2012 10:32:26 AMXMLmind is happy to announce the version 5.2 of XMLmind XML Editor. _____________________________________________ XMLmind XML Editor Personal Edition v5.2 can be downloaded from http://www.xmlmind.com/xmleditor/download.shtml Professional Edition users, please upgrade using this form: http: . . . Read full entry » Re: Using XML (or JSON) for inter-thread communicationPosted 3/19/2012 9:57:45 AMPete Cordell scripsit: > Which makes me wonder, can you compress the 'web services' model down to > the level of threads and use XML or JSON for your inter-thread > communication? Can you define your interfaces using some sort of schema > and use REST or similar approaches? Would . . . Read full entry » Re: Deployability of XMLised HTML - authoritative survey?[reduPosted 3/16/2012 3:09:12 PMOn 16/03/2012 14:49, Mike Sokolov wrote: > I assume it's a typo, but that document is dated next year the last published spec was dated last year: http://www.w3.org/TR/html-polyglot/ presumably someone struggled to add one:-) David __________________________________________________________ . . . Read full entry » Re: Unqualified forms and Inheritance by RestrictionPosted 3/16/2012 2:52:41 PMThe issue here is that if element {Base}E1 is mandatory in the base type, it's not good enough to have an element {Restricted}E1 in its place in the derived type: the elements must have the same name. Because the element declaration isn't global, the only way you can . . . Read full entry » Re: Unqualified forms and Inheritance by RestrictionPosted 3/16/2012 2:13:22 PMDoes it help if you have <xs:restriction base="xs:string"/> for E2 in the second case? Pete Cordell Codalogic Ltd Interface XML to C++ the easy way using C++ XML data binding to convert XSD schemas to C++ classes. Visit http://codalogic.com/lmx/ or http://www.xml2cpp.com for more . . . Read full entry » RE: Unqualified forms and Inheritance by RestrictionPosted 3/16/2012 2:01:56 PMThis seems to argue that the tools that “accept” what I am doing now, do so in error. Which I had an uneasy feeling they did. >>Because the element declaration isn't global, the only way you can replace it with a different element declaration of the same name is by putting th . . . Read full entry » Re: Deployability of XMLised HTML - authoritative survey?[reduPosted 3/16/2012 1:49:21 PMOn 16/03/2012 13:06, Dan Brickley wrote: > Hi > > I understand from anecdotal reports and my own experiments that it is > possible to get most (recent?) browsers to sensibly interpret and render > well formed XML that "looks a lot like" HTML. With much of HTML, this is > . . . Read full entry » Re: Deployability of XMLised HTML - authoritative survey?[reduPosted 3/16/2012 10:49:00 AMI assume it's a typo, but that document is dated next year On 03/16/2012 09:49 AM, David Carlisle wrote: > On 16/03/2012 13:06, Dan Brickley wrote: >> Hi >> >> I understand from anecdotal reports and my own experiments that it is >> possible to get most (recent?) browse . . . Read full entry » RE: RNG vs. XSD : is the use of abstract types and polymorphisPosted 3/16/2012 10:09:42 AMSimon touches on one of several divides, and they come down to "what is the purpose of this schema" I have used XSD an inheritance to define information models. Information models benefit from abstract types and derivation because extensibility may be the primary concern. In a particul . . . Read full entry » Unqualified forms and Inheritance by RestrictionPosted 3/16/2012 9:47:38 AMI have a family of schemas for energy markets that are derived from a root abstract schema. In most cases, the derived types extend the abstract types by adding additional elements. This inheritance by addition is straight-forward. For one key abstract type, I use inheritance by restriction. D . . . Read full entry » Re: RNG vs. XSD : is the use of abstract types and polymorphisPosted 3/16/2012 9:24:49 AMOn 3/14/12 9:03 PM, Rick Jelliffe wrote: > I like what Norm wrote.I'd add a couple of things. As do I, though my things are a little different. From my perspective, W3C XML Schema was a trainwreck because its foundation structures came from the languages people wanted to use to process XML . . . Read full entry » Deployability of XMLised HTML - authoritative survey? [redux]Posted 3/16/2012 9:06:50 AMHi I understand from anecdotal reports and my own experiments that it is possible to get most (recent?) browsers to sensibly interpret and render well formed XML that "looks a lot like" HTML. With much of HTML, this is just a matter of matching case and closing </LI> etc. The trea . . . Read full entry » ***Extended deadline: March 26*** COMETS 2012 - 3rd InternationalTrack oPosted 3/15/2012 11:23:42 PM************* Deadline Extended to March 26, 2012 *************** (Please accept our apologies if you receive multiple copies of this message) ################################################################# IEEE WETIC . . . Read full entry » Re: RNG vs. XSD : is the use of abstract types andpolymorphismPosted 3/15/2012 12:03:49 PMI like what Norm wrote.I'd add a couple of things. XML came out of a desire to reduce the bloat of SGML; I think instigators of RELAX NG harboured the same desire for RELAX NG: use a powerful model with a few constructs, add some nice sugar (RNC), and re-use external standards (XSD datatypes). . . . Read full entry » [ANN] Release of XMLmind DITA Converter v2.2Posted 3/14/2012 10:10:40 AM---------------------------------------------------------- XMLmind DITA Converter v2.2 (March 13, 2012) ---------------------------------------------------------- Highlights: * New extended-toc XSLT stylesheet parameter allows to add frontmatter and backmatter topicrefs to the Table of Co . . . Read full entry » RE: RNG vs. XSD : is the use of abstract types and polymorphiPosted 3/14/2012 8:29:35 AMThat kind of separation seems logical, particularly in the context of maintaining the ontology separately, whilst the XML Schemas are manually kept in sync with the ontology. Other contexts however do exist: Imagine an UML ontology which is making good use of abstract classes and inheritance. Sui . . . Read full entry » RE: RNG vs. XSD : is the use of abstract types andpolymorphisPosted 3/13/2012 1:10:46 PMRoger, While there may be something to what you're saying--my experience of XML and XML Schema is much too narrow to say--it does seem to me that you're committing a number of category errors here (as in many of your previous posts on syntax and semantics). Let me try to sketch an alternative vis . . . Read full entry » RE: RNG vs. XSD : is the use of abstract types andpolymorphisPosted 3/13/2012 11:44:06 AMLike it or not, XML Schema has this dual use. Look at JAXB ... its uses XML Schema to create types and their representations in programming languages. Look at the type system on XQuery and XSLT. These are full-fledged data types including inheritance. Inheritance is very useful in type aware XQue . . . Read full entry » RE: RNG vs. XSD : is the use of abstract types andpolymorphisPosted 3/13/2012 11:29:52 AMHi Folks, I have been thinking about the issue of "inheritance" in schema languages for XML. Recall that James Clark says (paraphrasing) that it is not the role of a schema language to model conceptual or semantic relationships such as inheritance. Such relationships are best modeled e . . . Read full entry » RE: RNG vs. XSD : is the use of abstract types andpolymorphisPosted 3/12/2012 6:20:17 PMIn my opinion, what is "conceptual" and what is a "Model" depends on the use cases. Suppose I want to model a language type hierarchy. Then "Inheritance" is not just conceptual, its the actual model. In fact, as far as I can tell, this is exactly what the type syste . . . Read full entry » RE: RNG vs. XSD : is the use of abstract types andpolymorphisPosted 3/12/2012 6:12:46 PMJames Clark asserts that it is not the role of a schema language to model "conceptual" relationships such as inheritance. Such relationships are best modeled elsewhere. Let us suppose that James is correct. Question: Is it best practice to avoid the inheritance machinery provided in XM . . . Read full entry » RE: RNG vs. XSD : is the use of abstract types andpolymorphisPosted 3/12/2012 5:14:31 PMVery interesting. This also more clearly explains why RNG does not provide "type" like XSD does. It provides validation but not typing. I don't agree with the premise, however, that representing inheritance (or type) is irrelevant to the conceptual model. What if the conceptual model . . . Read full entry » RE: RNG vs. XSD : is the use of abstract types andpolymorphisPosted 3/12/2012 5:04:15 PMJohn Cowan wrote: > See http://www.thaiopensource.com/relaxng/design.html#section:15 > for James's thinking on inheritance in schema languages. Fascinating! Here are a few excepts from the article: One of the most significant differences between RELAX NG and W3C XML Schema is t . . . Read full entry » Re: RNG vs. XSD : is the use of abstract types and polymorphiPosted 3/12/2012 2:51:46 PMOn 12/03/2012 14:37, Costello, Roger L. wrote: > Hi Folks, > > James Clark and MURATA Makoto are the two principles that were > involved in designing RELAX NG. > > I noticed that they did not incorporate into RELAX NG these > features: > > - a reusable collection of elem . . . Read full entry » RNG vs. XSD : is the use of abstract types and polymorphism a goodor baPosted 3/12/2012 2:37:05 PMHi Folks, James Clark and MURATA Makoto are the two principles that were involved in designing RELAX NG. I noticed that they did not incorporate into RELAX NG these features: - a reusable collection of elements and attributes that is designated "abstract" -- XML Schema has this. . . . Read full entry » Re: RNG vs. XSD : is the use of abstract types andpolymorphisPosted 3/12/2012 12:41:19 PMCostello, Roger L. scripsit: > If the reason is (1) then I would like to know why abstract types and > polymorphism are not appropriate for a schema language for XML? Are > there dangers in designing schemas for XML that use abstract types > and polymorphism? Does James Clark and MURA . . . Read full entry » Re: what's missing in XML? What's coming?Posted 3/11/2012 3:46:46 PMDavid Lee scripsit: > 1) A Standard (or well adopted convention) for Serialized XDM so that > programs may exchange XDM in addition to XML > > 2) Better support for XDM in XQuery and XSLT to allow the input 'document' > to be any XDM value, and corresponding support in the impleme . . . Read full entry » Is "visible" a part of the data? Toward the day when the data isthe proPosted 3/11/2012 2:33:58 PMHi Folks, I am creating the architectural plan of a building. At the appropriate time I will make my plan visible for others to see. Should my plan contain data that indicates whether it is visible? visible :: (yes | no) I am thinking that my architectural plan document should contain &qu . . . Read full entry » Re: Is "visible" a part of the data? Toward the day whenthe daPosted 3/11/2012 11:25:42 AMOn Mar 11, 2012 9:39 AM, "Costello, Roger L." <costello@mitre.org> wrote: > > Have I persuaded you that "visible" should be part of my architectural plan document? If not, what is my argument missing, where has my argument . . . Read full entry » RE: Should XML Professionals Be Programmers?Posted 3/9/2012 6:20:39 PM" understanding how the people and necessary tasks interact, and that's a different sort of skill than programming." Actually... no. Unless one understands the human in the loop problems, writing a GUI they WILL use is damn near impossible. Auto-generators are great. IronSpeed is a . . . Read full entry » Re: EXI: was : RE: what's missing in XML? What's comPosted 3/9/2012 11:05:06 AM> OK. Where's the code? I doubt the code will be released. But I don't see why that matters. If you disbelieve the claim that it's possible to build 'fast enough' parsers without the code, so be it. But you do not need the code to be able to take our concern about balkanization at face v . . . Read full entry » Re: Should XML Professionals Be Programmers?Posted 3/9/2012 6:28:28 AMIn organizations that understand how to process information such that creating the XML is efficient and accurate, this can be so. If an organization doesn't have that understanding, then being able to program to a level consistent with the objectives is how one can achieve them effective . . . Read full entry » Re: Should XML Professionals Be Programmers?Posted 3/9/2012 6:21:38 AMIt sounds like your recruitment process is picking people based on substrings of their resume, resulting in your "guru". None of these technologies are extremely hard and my preference is always to look for people based on personality (curiosity, openness, technical orientation) and then . . . Read full entry » Re: Should XML Professionals Be Programmers?Posted 3/8/2012 11:07:25 PMLen Bullard wrote:> It's a general qualifications question: IBM XML Certification http://www-03.ibm.com/certify/certs/xm_index.shtml Prometric XML Master Certifications http://www.prometric.com/XML/default.htm And of course, from the 2005 archive of xml.com: "Deconstructing Certificati . . . Read full entry » Re: Should XML Professionals Be Programmers?Posted 3/8/2012 10:42:13 PMOn Thu, 2012-03-08 at 10:27 -0600, Len Bullard wrote: > It's a general qualifications question: do you expect an XML > professional to: > 1. Be able to correctly interpret DTD/Schema? > 2. Write or modify a DTD/Schema > 3. Code and/or test and modify XSLT. > 4. Program at least . . . Read full entry » Re: Should XML Professionals Be Programmers?Posted 3/8/2012 10:33:45 PMOn Thu, 2012-03-08 at 16:43 +0000, Michael Kay wrote: > There's no such thing as an XML professional, any more than you can be a > screwdriver professional or a fork-lift truck professional. Actually there _are_ professional fork-lift operators; they go on courses and get qualifications t . . . Read full entry » Re: Should XML Professionals Be Programmers?Posted 3/8/2012 8:54:57 PMOn 8 March 2012 17:27, Len Bullard <Len.Bullard@ses-i.com> wrote: > Itâs a general qualifications question: do you expect an XML professional to: > > Be able to correctly interpret DTD/Schema? > Write or modify a DTD/Schema > . . . Read full entry » RE: Should XML Professionals Be Programmers?Posted 3/8/2012 8:45:11 PMIn a profession, you do the work applying the knowledge you obtain doing the work. If you learned application from a book even better. That means others will understand what you are doing if they read. If they practice, you can do it together. If neither, you are in different professions. l . . . Read full entry » anti-xmlPosted 3/8/2012 8:13:46 PMI've just seen this: http://anti-xml.org/ It isn't what you might first expect... does anyone have experience of using it? cheers andrew -- Andrew Welch http://andrewjwelch.com . . . Read full entry » Re: Should XML Professionals Be Programmers?Posted 3/8/2012 7:03:26 PMCox, Bruce scripsit: > In graduate school (1980) we agreed that a professional is someone who > will do the right thing based on extensive knowledge of the domain, > whether or not the customer knows to ask for it. Today, Iâd say > it this way: A professional is someone trusted to . . . Read full entry » RE: Ssx, Re: Six Reasons Not to use XML AttributesPosted 3/8/2012 6:40:47 PMI use rtf control and dir/file finds. DTDs are fine if I don’t have to write them. I don’t mind designing them but all of the problems that couldn’t be resolved in design were humans in the loop. Evil is being told “I don’t pay you to progr . . . Read full entry » RE: What does "optional" mean?Posted 3/8/2012 6:27:29 PMA patent application MUST disclose the invention in order to get a filing date; EVERYTHING else is optional at that stage. However, before it can be examined, the application must have a long list of characteristics, including the inventor's name and mailing address. Before an application can be . . . Read full entry » RE: Should XML Professionals Be Programmers?Posted 3/8/2012 5:26:16 PMIn graduate school (1980) we agreed that a professional is someone who will do the right thing based on extensive knowledge of the domain, whether or not the customer knows to ask for it. Today, Iâd say it this way: A professional is someone trusted to do the right thing based on extensive know . . . Read full entry » RE: Should XML Professionals Be Programmers?Posted 3/8/2012 5:20:21 PMIs there a Chester County Militia? Bruce B Cox OCIO/AED/Software Architecture and Engineering Division 571-272-9004 -----Original Message----- From: John Cowan [mailto:cowan@ccil.org] On Behalf Of John Cowan Sent: 2012 March 8, Thursday 16:56 To: Cox . . . Read full entry » RE: Should XML Professionals Be Programmers?Posted 3/8/2012 5:04:11 PMYes, fair points. How far does the term “data architect” sum up some of these? I guess it relates to being able to design schemas / transforms that take into account all of these. And the focus is on the data, and its structure here. In the library world, we pretty much call that catalo . . . Read full entry » Re: Should XML Professionals Be Programmers?Posted 3/8/2012 4:56:04 PMCox, Bruce scripsit: > If I were looking for my replacement, Iâd be looking for a > philosopher, and if one with the necessary interest canât be found, > then perhaps an English major. Does it matter which regiment he commands? -- If you understand, John Cow . . . Read full entry » RE: Should XML Professionals Be Programmers?Posted 3/8/2012 4:52:17 PMSo the problem space is…? How does “information integration” or “data integration” sound? That is one of the phrases I hear bandied around at lot at present. From: Michael Kay [mailto:mike@saxonica.com] Sent: 08 Marc . . . Read full entry » Re: Should XML Professionals Be Programmers?Posted 3/8/2012 4:43:52 PMOn 08/03/2012 16:27, Len Bullard wrote: 537254D815AAA64492F9FA9A38ECB40D5DCB40@mail4.huntsville.ses-i.com" type="cite"> . . . Read full entry » RE: Should XML Professionals Be Programmers?Posted 3/8/2012 4:37:32 PMHi there, I’m a qualified information professional (~=librarian), working on an XML-heavy project in the publishing world. I’ve been following XML-Dev and hoping to learn more about this question too: how do you define an “XML professional”? Is anyone on the l . . . Read full entry » RE: Should XML Professionals Be Programmers?Posted 3/8/2012 4:31:53 PMAfter a career as a librarian (Linda Hall Library, one of the Patent & Trademark Depository Libraries) and now with 21 months to retirement from the USPTO, Iâve often had to invent a title for what I do. To avoid alarming either the business folks or the developers, I recently have usually . . . Read full entry » Ssx, Re: Six Reasons Not to use XML AttributesPosted 3/8/2012 4:02:25 PMOne of my favorite idioms, which I would like more people to adopt, is that attributes and elements have equivalence, to the extent that makes sense. In other words, if you only have one of a sub element/attribute, and it is just a string, then you can express it as . . . Read full entry » Re: EXI: was : RE: what's missing in XML? What'scomiPosted 3/8/2012 3:35:42 PMOn 3/8/12 6:57 AM, Richard Salz wrote: OF1644838E.C79E9C47-ON852579BB.0051F1C3-852579BB.005231FC@us.ibm.com" type="cite"> . . . Read full entry » RE: Should XML Professionals Be Programmers?Posted 3/8/2012 2:47:57 PMYes. Programming productivity was a lot less before I could find examples. On the other hand, finding a quality example can be problematic. A case in point: how many ways are there to write a search and replace in VB? ;) A little more seriously, how many times has one copied code only to di . . . Read full entry » RE: Should XML Professionals Be Programmers?Posted 3/8/2012 1:32:04 PMThat may be the case, Greg. The challenge is expectations. I agree none of this is hard. Have you ever been chewed out for solving a problem in XML production through programming? Sounds unreal, yes? As to the skills required, a common complaint . . . Read full entry » Re: Should XML Professionals Be Programmers?Posted 3/8/2012 12:41:48 PMMichael Hopwood scripsit: > Yes, fair points. How far does the term "data architect" sum up some of > these? I guess it relates to being able to design schemas / transforms > that take into account all of these. And the focus is on the data, > and its structure here. In the . . . Read full entry » RE: Should XML Professionals Be Programmers?Posted 3/8/2012 12:39:12 PMI agree, John. And a very productive one. They may not need to program in other languages but it is helpful. If someone can't read a DTD to some level of proficiency, I have some qualms about their skill set given an environment where tagging in a DTD-enabled editor is not enough to solve probl . . . Read full entry » Re: Should XML Professionals Be Programmers?Posted 3/8/2012 11:58:10 AMMichael Kay scripsit: > There's no such thing as an XML professional, any more than you can be a > screwdriver professional or a fork-lift truck professional. People who > define their abilities by the tools they can use proficiently are not > professionals, they are technicians . . . Read full entry » RE: Should XML Professionals Be Programmers?Posted 3/8/2012 11:02:21 AMThose are popular phrases but largely meaningless unless further defined by the processes and kinds and types of data to be integrated. For example, how much analysis is required of the integrated sources, how are they QA’d and does that occur before or after the XML is created . . . Read full entry »
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