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Nobody is trying to have a religious war with you. Mike asked a question and I gave an answer based on my experiences with users of XSLT both in the .NET Framework and MSXML. I'm glad that people like you can find the time to understand the subtle nuances of XSLT but for a large number of our users it is inaccessible and unfriendly. XQuery is a step in their direction. ________________________________ From: Charles White [mailto:chuck@t...] Sent: Sun 2/16/2003 8:28 PM To: Dare Obasanjo; Mike Champion; XML Dev Subject: Re: Anyone wanna speculate about what this means? I think I made a fair inference, and I would also argue that XSLT isn't unapproachable to the average XML developer. The invariability of XSLT variables is not really a problem. I have run into very few problems that can't be solved with XSLT. I could just as easily argue that .NET is unapproachable because of its vast object library, which takes countless hours to learn. It sort of redefines verbosity. I would say that if your users, and I'm one of them, spent one one hundreth the amount of time on XSLT they spend learning .NET, they'd be fine. My point is that religous wars are useless. I use .NET and XSLT and I'm sure I'll use XQuery. I don't find one particularly more valuable than the other. I just use whatever suits my purpose for a particular problem. Chuck White Author, Mastering XSLT, Sybex Books http://www.javertising.com/webtech http://www.tumeric.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dare Obasanjo" <dareo@m...> To: "Charles White" <chuck@t...>; "Mike Champion" <mc@x...>; "XML Dev" <xml-dev@l...> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 8:03 PM Subject: RE: Anyone wanna speculate about what this means? *sigh* I am well aware of the answer to the question. If you had read my post carefully you'd have realized that I was talking about the characteristics of XSLT that make it unapproachable to the average XML developer. The invariability of XSLT variables is probably the most frequently occuring problem our users face with the language. Whether XSLT 2.0 has similar features to XQuery is not really of note. After all, Turing complete programming languages are all equivalent which doesn't mean there aren't reasons why Java and C are more popular than SmallTalk and Lisp. ________________________________ From: Charles White [mailto:chuck@t...] Sent: Sun 2/16/2003 7:54 PM To: Dare Obasanjo; Mike Champion; XML Dev Subject: Re: Anyone wanna speculate about what this means? I'm really suprised that someone with a microsoft.com at the end of their email would issue this statement: "(why is an xsl:variable called a variable if it doesn't vary?) " The response to that query has been around a long time: http://www.biglist.com/lists/xsl-list/archives/200302/msg00620.html And so has the so-called workarounds to that "problem", which really hasn't been a problem for most XSLT developers once they're comfortable with the language. XQuery does indeed look cool, but it's about as cool as XPath 2.0, which is married to it, and XSLT 2.0, which benefits from that union. Anyone who can't grok XSLT 1.0 but can grok XQuery will be able to grok XSLT 2.0. Chuck White Author, Mastering XSLT, Sybex Books http://www.javertising.com/webtech http://www.tumeric.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dare Obasanjo" <dareo@m...> >A couple of us feel that XQuery will some of the problems with XSLT that have prevented it >from becoming the lingua franca for processing XML by the average XML developer. XSLT's >unnecessarily verbose syntax, limited set of useful builtin functions & operators and unfamiliar >programming model (why is an xsl:variable called a variable if it doesn't vary?) have always >made it seem inaccessible to many users who would otherwise benefit from it. XQuery fixes >these issues which makes it more approachable to the thousands of developers who have to >process XML data and have thus far limited themselves to object <->XML technologies , >DOM or streaming APIs because they couldn't grok XSLT. XQuery is hot. ----------------------------------------------------------------- The xml-dev list is sponsored by XML.org <http://www.xml.org>, an initiative of OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> The list archives are at http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the subscription manager: <http://lists.xml.org/ob/adm.pl>
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