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RE: Partyin' like it's 1999

• To: "Eric Hanson" <elh@c...>, "Bullard, Claude L \(Len\)" <len.bullard@i...>
• Subject: RE: Partyin' like it's 1999
• From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@b...>
• Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:15:25 -0400
• Cc: "Michael Champion" <michaelc.champion@g...>, <xml-dev@l...>
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• Thread-topic: Partyin' like it's 1999

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Hanson [mailto:elh@c...] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 5:02 PM
> To: Bullard, Claude L (Len)
> Cc: 'Michael Champion'; xml-dev@l...
> Subject: Re:  Partyin' like it's 1999
> 
> Bullard, Claude L (Len) (len.bullard@i...) wrote:
> > A radical suggestion:  maybe what they really need are binaries and 
> > the creation of a binary specification can provide a subset 
> of what is 
> > expressible in XML.  They aren't the same, just that it might be 
> > easier to create a subset outside XML The Spec.  My 
> intuition is that 
> > the shock would come from elsewhere, such as new chip design or the 
> > sudden emergence of reliable telepathy.
> > (Why yes, the siddhi are real; they just aren't reliable, Sherman.)
> 
> > Of the cases presented, isn't the really gnarly one namespaces? 
> > In other words, if the edges of that were tidied, how much 
> pain would 
> > go away?
> > 
> > Ok.  Any parties interested in posting their favorite five bad 
> > problems with XML in order here?  I wonder what the consensus is on 
> > the top two.  (XML, not XML apps like
> > XSD.)
> 
> 1. There is no way to look up, discover and retrieve the 
> library of resources that support with a namespace-qualified element.
> If you come across a piece of data, there may be hundreds of 
> supporting resources like XSL transformations, schemas, 
> xforms, text documentation, etc.  We need a way to link the 
> resources to the data.  This is the biggest problem with XML 
> today.  

Some of this capability already exists natively in the OASIS/ebXML
Registry standard, and some is being implemented in the future through a
Technical Note (that I am working on) within the OASIS/ebXML Registry
Technical Committee that describes a standard mechanism for registering
fine-grained artifacts such as elements, attributes, data types, and
namespace identifiers, and associating these fine-grained artifacts with
other fine- and course-grained artifacts accordingly. There is a very
high degree of interest in this capability within the US federal
government space.

Kind Regards,
Joseph Chiusano
Booz Allen Hamilton
Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World

> XML is this great universal data format, great, but 
> until it has a cooresponding supporting resource discovery 
> mechanism, we lose half the power of using a universal 
> language in the first place.
> 
> This is hardly a new idea, but IMHO a greatly neglected one.  
> It was proposed by Tim Bray and the XML packaging group back 
> in 1999, the related resource packaging part anyway, but the 
> group was closed due to lack of interest.
> 
> http://www.textuality.com/xml/why-pkg.html
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2000/07/xml-packaging-charter
> 
> 2-5. I can't even think about any other XML problems until 
> this exists.  It's so fundamental and obvious it blows my 
> mind that it doesn't.
> 
> Eric
> 
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