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At 09:06 PM 6/14/00 +0100, Sebastian Rahtz wrote:
(moved out of order)
>Why do I have this worrying feeling that we are on the same side in
>this discussion, anyway?
I think so! I'm not arguing with you, other than to assert that publishing
economics sometimes dictates a move away from manual copyfitting and the
like, and that this can be (to the users, obviously not to you! :-) a net
win. Actually, I'm sort of enjoying reminiscing about how we used to do
things 10-15 years ago.
>no, the human inserts them in the source. we ran the book, viewed the
>pages, and corrected the bad breaks with PIs in the XML file, and
>reran the formatting.
>I am not 100% sure what "high-volume" means to you. The way I look at
>it, a 300 page book merits a couple of hours spent inserting PIs. If I
>was doing a 2000 page software manual, I'd make sure the design was such that
>bad page breaks were unlikely. So I would not, for instance, use
>narrow double columns in a job that was destined for large-scale batch
>processing (I worked on telephone bills earlier this year, for
>instance, 70000 page documents; obviously no question of manual
>intervention!)
We were producing 30-50 documents of 50-1000 pages each, with partial draft
builds nightly, internal reviews every couple of weeks, and final versions
every few months. We had 2-3 different outputs. One was US letter
PostScript output; we did try to spend the time to fix bad page breaks, but
as the volume and pace increased, and as our primary (read: moneymaking)
output switched to electronic, it became less cost-effective to put time
into that. The one thing we spent significant time tweaking was
quick-reference cards.
>My point is that FO needs to cope with 70000 phone bills, 300 page
>books, and 4 page tightly-constrained wedding invitations.
(Interestingly, the introduction to the XSL spec refers to "goals," but
they're not spelled out anywhere that I can see... The XSL requirements
document also doesn't get to this abstract a level, other than saying page
fidelity is a non-goal.) This is perhaps a good goal, but very ambitious;
I don't know of any single product on the market today that claims to be
optimized for all three.
Eve
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Sun Microsystems XML Technology Center elm @ east.sun.com
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