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 Dear Reichardt, XQuery is different from XSLT. Of course everything depends on your specific needs/tasks, but probably you could solve most of them with, for example, BaseX XQuery: it provides extensions to the W3C recommendations, which make it a general-purpose programming language. Best, Giuseppe Universität Leipzig Institute of Computer Science, Digital Humanities Augustusplatz 10 04109 Leipzig Deutschland E-mail: celano@informatik.uni-leipzig.de E-mail: giuseppegacelano@gmail.com Web site 1: http://www.dh.uni-leipzig.de/wo/team/ Web site 2: https://sites.google.com/site/giuseppegacelano/ > On Aug 29, 2017, at 7:04 PM, u123724 <u123724@gmail.com> wrote: > > I don't have a stake in XQuery but as a practioner working not just > with markup yet still with enough XSLT experience I've found > XML-specific programming languages generally limiting in that problem > domains I'm using them for would often benefit from the kind of > infrastructure and mindshare that general-purpose programming > languages have, such as APIs for database and network access, unit > testing, etc. > > From my utilitarian perspective, XSLT's (and supposedly XQuery's) wins > over general-purpose language where literal XML content with > small-scale variable/expression expansions needs to be produced from > input. OTOH, the more an XSLT program makes use of complex and/or > dynamic expressions to construct output markup, the more other > language options become attractive. > > I'd also agree that RDF or other logic-oriented formalisms are the way > to go for "uniform data models". Encoding child, attribute, > following-sibling, etc. axes as logical clauses is straightforward, > and in fact part of XPath specs anyway AFAIK. Axioms for tree-ness > could similarly be defined. Using Prolog would then give you a more > general query language eg. rather than XPath conjunctive path query > > P/child::*/attribute::* > > you could use the more general form > > child(P,C), attribute(C,A) > > though Prolog also lets you define variable-free syntaxes for CPQs. > > Moreover, Prolog generalizes XSLT's pattern matching into unification, > and allows rules/templates just like XSLT (though not with implicit > priorities). Outside of the RDF bubble, there's ISO Topic Maps with > the "tolog" profille of Prolog to query ontology data. > > M. Reichardt > sgmljs.net > > On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Liam R. E. Quin <liam@w3.org> wrote: >> On Tue, 2017-08-29 at 12:19 +0200, Giuseppe Celano wrote: >>> >>> And yes, XQuery is tied to XML, but the problem here is, in my >>> experience, not XML, but the huge amount of misinformation >>> circulating about it (stemming from ignorance of it), misuse of it, >>> and laziness: if one persists in trying to handle XML without >>> XPath/XQuery/XSLT, I can understand why they ended up hating it. >> >> I regret not pressing harder to push the Working Group to rename XQuery >> to FastForest and to refer to databases as forest stores. My purpose >> was to head off the ideas that the database must load the XML text >> files every time there's a query and to emphasize that they can be >> really fast. >> >> -- >> Liam Quin, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ >> Staff contact for Verifiable Claims WG, XQuery WG >> >> Web slave for http://www.fromoldbooks.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> >> XML-DEV is a publicly archived, unmoderated list hosted by OASIS >> to support XML implementation and development. To minimize >> spam in the archives, you must subscribe before posting. >> >> [Un]Subscribe/change address: http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/ >> Or unsubscribe: xml-dev-unsubscribe@lists.xml.org >> subscribe: xml-dev-subscribe@lists.xml.org >> List archive: http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ >> List Guidelines: http://www.oasis-open.org/maillists/guidelines.php > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > XML-DEV is a publicly archived, unmoderated list hosted by OASIS > to support XML implementation and development. To minimize > spam in the archives, you must subscribe before posting. > > [Un]Subscribe/change address: http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/ > Or unsubscribe: xml-dev-unsubscribe@lists.xml.org > subscribe: xml-dev-subscribe@lists.xml.org > List archive: http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ > List Guidelines: http://www.oasis-open.org/maillists/guidelines.php 
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