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Re: Using NMTOKEN

  • From: Michael Kay <mike@saxonica.com>
  • To: Toby Considine <Toby.Considine@gmail.com>
  • Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 15:46:39 +0100

Re:  Using NMTOKEN
It is neither ambiguous nor deprecated. The worst one can say about it is (a) it was probably not designed for the purpose you are using it for, and (b) it has a silly name; but neither of those arguments intrinsically make it unfit for your purpose.

Michael Kay
Saxonica


On 18 Jun 2015, at 15:33, Toby Considine <Toby.Considine@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for your prompt reply.
 
One Committee Member feels that NMTOKEN is ambiguous and deprecated, an assertion I have been unable to verify. He cites it as a hygiene issue going forward.
 
We could include our own definition:
 

            <xs:simpleType name="NMTOKEN" id="NMTOKEN">

                        <xs:restriction base="xs:token">

                                    <xs:pattern value="\c+"/>

                                    <xs:whiteSpace value="collapse"/>

                        </xs:restriction>

            </xs:simpleType>
 
 
But this seems a pointless exercise unless it has, indeed, been deprecated. Usually I can figure out where these comments come from, but this one I have some trouble with….
 
tc
 

"There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems."

-- Ed Crowley


Toby Considine
TC9, Inc.
Toby.Considine@gmail.com
Phone: (919)619-2104
  
Chair, OASIS OBIX Technical Committee
Chair, OASIS WS-Calendar Technical Committee
Editor, OASIS Energy Market Information Exchange (EMIX)
Editor, OASIS Energy Interoperation
blog: http://www.NewDaedalus.com 
 
 
From: Michael Kay [mailto:mike@s...]
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 10:30 AM
To: Toby Considine
Cc: xml-dev@l...
Subject: Re: Using NMTOKEN
 
What is the justification for making a change?
 
NMTOKEN is a bizarre data type, but if it works, and if things are going to seriously break if you change, then it’s hard to see why you would want to change it.
 
You might be able to avoid compatibility issues by deriving your new type from NMTOKEN. But that depends on what those issues are.
 
Michael Kay
Saxonica
 
On 18 Jun 2015, at 14:56, Toby Considine <Toby.Considine@gmail.com> wrote:
 
I am currently nearing the end of a refresh cycle of a standard Schema (XSD) that has long used NMTOKEN. Systems using the specification are widely deployed in the world, so backward compatibility is highly desirable.
 
At the last moment, one commenter has thrown up the notion that NMTOKEN should no longer use NMTOKEN, but add specific facets instead. The rest of the specification currently makes no use of facets anywhere else.
 
Should we make this change? The new version, like the old, is likely to last another 10 years.
 
tc
 

“The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place.”

– George Bernard Shaw.


Toby Considine
TC9, Inc.
Toby.Considine@gmail.com
Phone: (919)619-2104
  
Chair, OASIS OBIX Technical Committee
Chair, OASIS WS-Calendar Technical Committee
Editor, OASIS Energy Market Information Exchange (EMIX) Editor, OASIS Energy Interoperation
blog: http://www.NewDaedalus.com 
 
 
 



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