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Re: Four fine text-based data formats ... liberateyourself fro

• From: David Lee <dlee@calldei.com>
• To: Simon St.Laurent <simonstl@simonstl.com>
• Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 02:19:10 +0000

Size inflation of XML over other text formats is entirely the choice of the vocabulary authors not the XML itself.  I am fine with people who like their own formats ... 
But if they want to try to back that up by claiming its intrinsically XML that necessitates verbosity I have little respect for the argument.

Take a quick look at the link I posted.   As a simple example JSON is NOT intrinsically less verbose.   


Sent from my iPad (excuse the terseness) 
David A Lee
dlee@calldei.com


On Mar 24, 2013, at 8:17 PM, "Simon St.Laurent" <simonstl@simonstl.com> wrote:

> On 3/24/13 7:07 PM, David Lee wrote:
>> This thread is really getting really unintelligible to me but hey
>> that's why I subscribe.  Its good to have my brain hurt. I will avoid
>> commentary on the most  but I have 2 I can't help but reply.
> 
> xml-dev is an excellent place to get a headache, yes.
> 
>> 1) (Verbosity is the other common explanation.) <shameless plug> If
>> you truly buy into this, or don't ! ... I would love you to put your
>> 2 minutes where your mouth is and help establish some scientific
>> evidence. Please visit http://speedtest.xmlsh.org
>> 
>> I will be having a public crow-eating party with the results.  Not
>> sure who will be eating the crow so stay tuned.  It could be me.
>> Please help humiliate me in public.  Whatever it takes to get
>> volunteers !
> 
> It's not about processing or transmission speed - rather, it's about the overhead of those _things_ stuck in the data, things which often double or treble or quadruple or otherwise inflate the size.
> 
> Sometimes it's typists complaining, but the more serious complaints were from people who simply had massive datasets and didn't want the overhead, whether that overhead was in (de)compressing them or in storing and transmitting them.
> 
> I started out trying to convince them otherwise, but by the fifth or sixth conversation with people who not only disliked the markup but distrusted the standards organizations who had told them to use it, I stopped.
> 
> They clearly had found better solutions in simpler text formats.  It was still, in some sense, markup - it just didn't look anything like XML.
> 
> Thanks,
> -- 
> Simon St.Laurent
> http://simonstl.com/
> 
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