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  • From: "Jim Tivy" <jimt@bluestream.com>
  • To: "'Costello, Roger L.'" <costello@mitre.org>,<xml-dev@l...>
  • Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:45:35 -0800

RE:  Application of Postel's Law to XML (as Re: Trust and contr
Well, I spent part of yesterday trying to figure out how to get <!DOCTYPE
html> at the top of my well formed html5 so IE9 would show my SVG images.
Why well formed html5 you may ask.  Because if it is well formed I have a
massive set of tools to process it for things like link interogation etc.
So I am really suspect of anyone who proposes that a message format should
be lax with respect to well formedness.  If it is not well formed how can I
process it using programming languages such as XSLT, XQuery or the huge set
of XML processing  tools available such as the jax family in java.  Or do
you plan to create an entirely different tool stack for processing each of
these XML vocabularies.
HTML5 was a travesty in supporting a not well formed serialization, lets not
repeat it.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Costello, Roger L. [mailto:costello@mitre.org]
> Sent: February-04-13 9:29 AM
> To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
> Subject: RE:  Application of Postel's Law to XML (as Re: Trust
and
> control )
> 
> Hello Amy,
> 
> > So far as I can see, XML's insistence on well-formedness is a direct
> > contradiction to Postel's Law. It mandates that receivers be rigorous.
> 
> As I read the history of RSS and RSS processors, it appears that there was
> much argument about whether well-formedness was necessary. Tim Bray
> argued passionately in favor of requiring that RSS be well-formed:
> 
> http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2004/01/11/PostelPilgrim
> 
> In any case, I am trying to reserve judgment on goodness or badness of the
> ways in my list. Do you know of other ways beside those in my list for
being
> conservative in what you generate and liberal in what you accept?
> 
> Thanks for the feedback.
> 
> /Roger
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Amelia A Lewis [mailto:amyzing@talsever.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 12:10 PM
> To: Costello, Roger L.
> Cc: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
> Subject: Re:  Application of Postel's Law to XML (as Re: Trust
and
> control )
> 
> On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 16:57:33 +0000, Costello, Roger L. wrote:
> > I want to fully understand what it means to apply Postel's Law to XML.
> 
> So far as I can see, XML's insistence on well-formedness is a direct
> contradiction to Postel's Law. It mandates that receivers be rigorous.
> Full stop.
> 
> Amy!
> 
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