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I agree with the arrogant part, Mike. I'm not very concerned about it. See quote from Keynes. Whereas the cooler heads in the entertainment industry tried to be reasonable, the harsh and ill-informed responses from the web industry have led most to believe the web industry will have to be bitch-slapped into near unconsciousness before they will own up to their responsibilities. By contrast to other debates I've seen in the last five years, this is quite relaxed. The quote I sent to Liam was a calm response from one of the world's top music producers whose name you would recognize. Their patience with this is much thinner than the skins here. If XML can help solve problems, that is good. If not, then XML is irrelevant. To XML: As someone who does score original compositions, the import and export into and out of Finale and/or Sibelius are very important. Submissions are made with PDF for the first review so a publisher can determine if they want to pursue it further. After the first review, there is a process of editing the score with the publisher in accordance with their opinions about what will sell. How the files are exchanged depends on what the publisher prefers and the composer has. XML is a last resort but it works and can be applied to non-print composition work. I don't know if anyone is experimenting with XSLT driving a la Cage, but it might be fun. I have used the XML from time to time when exchanging scores with others. Most of the print market is religious and academic where they need to sell at least 10k copies at average $1 USD per copy because they will spend around 10k for printing a first run. They also have to absorb the illegal copying at the Xerox machines but they will absorb that in small amounts just as the recording industry absorbs the party mix discs, wedding videos, and so on. Without an import/export format, we are stuck the same way WYSIWYG publishers are. At print time, they do use the native formats of course and render to PDF for online distribution in some cases. Most won't do that for full scores openly because, of course, theft on the Internet is pervasive. What is common is a first or maybe two pages of the score and an mp3 rendering. The second one is expensive to produce so they often lock that up in a site player to prevent copying. Others allow one to download it. Finale is preferred. I use Sibelius. It is better suited to orchestral scoring. It has a terrible interface, is deuce complex, but once one gets through that and the terrible documentation, it has an excellent sample library for rendering so I use it both for giving samples to the ensembles and for some recording where I need a full orchestral part and standard midi isn't as rich. Often I mix the two for richer timbre. len -----Original Message----- From: Michael Kay [mailto:mike@saxonica.com] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:16 AM To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org Subject: Re: Principles for an Ethical and Sustainable Internet - XML On 30/08/2012 13:49, Len Bullard wrote: > For XML experts, you are a poorly informed bunch. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MusicXML > While there are some brave souls pushing MusicXML as a distribution format, it hasn't really made a significant impact in that role yet. See for example http://www.makemusic.com/musicxml/music, which by advertising what's available makes it clear that it's not very much. If you want a particular score, you are much more likely to find it in PDF or in a proprietary format such as Finale or Sibelius. Len, Amy is right to point out that you are being a little bit arrogant this week. Michael Kay Saxonica > > > From: Amelia A Lewis [mailto:amyzing@talsever.com] > > To the best of my knowledge and belief, music is not distributed in a > form related to an xml technology. Digital restriction management may > use xml; if so, let's hear something about that technology, and its > successes and shortcomings. Lawyers may be using xml technology in the > prosecution of cases; that, too, might be of interest to the developers > on the list. > > Moral indignation on behalf of those unrighteously deprived of their > holy profits? Not so much, in my opinion. > > Amy! _______________________________________________________________________ XML-DEV is a publicly archived, unmoderated list hosted by OASIS to support XML implementation and development. To minimize spam in the archives, you must subscribe before posting. [Un]Subscribe/change address: http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/ Or unsubscribe: xml-dev-unsubscribe@lists.xml.org subscribe: xml-dev-subscribe@lists.xml.org List archive: http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ List Guidelines: http://www.oasis-open.org/maillists/guidelines.php
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