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But I did. "Fail." ;) Good point about the toolkit. The editor does note the duplicates. It doesn't stop the print or display processors or prompt the writer immediately. It puts the errors in a list that the writer has to look at to know they exist. If they aren't trained to look, they hit the Compose button and the PDF maker does its work without caring because the Print process is oblivious. I guess the schizophrenia is in treating it as XML for some processes and XML + DTD for others. As long as the ids are near each other in the tree, a linked reference still appears to work unless the composer is returning an item such as a title. The rest of the processes are organizational. If they all share the same toolkits (and they do because they rely on the processing instructions to get certain layout constraints to work such as keeping all of a note on the same page), then these errors can travel a goodly process distance and in fact may even round trip several times. In which case, they may not matter until they hit the one case where they do, and intra-organizational competence may be at an all time low (say waterfall). Training: knowing XML, the application, the toolkit and the secret decoder ring stuff beyond the toolkit, is the one thing that might save the organization money. DTD knowledge is increasingly obscure and FOSI knowledge even more so. Are there new editors available that support FOSIs? This is also why I asked about MicroXML. Knowing which features fall away is critical to some applications with big expensive legacy. Further, as these fall away in a subset as was the case with SGML to XML, when should large organizations make the investment to move on given other impending changes such as new platforms as was the case with the typesetters, word processors, the web, and so on. If they do, should they change the underlying technology (eg, drop XML support) or justify it? Legacy training is figured against the cost of hiring old people if there is still a supply and they don't impact the insurance pool. len -----Original Message----- From: Michael Kay [mailto:mike@saxonica.com] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 9:06 AM To: Len Bullard Cc: xml-dev@lists.xml.org Subject: Re: Who Is Teaching XML To Technical Writers? On 13/08/2012 14:21, Len Bullard wrote: > If IDs are a problem for the technical writers/taggers, one might assume > DTDs are in the mix. Yet even as one of the world's very top experts, > you didn't. I certainly wouldn't assume that an attribute called "id" is declared as an ID unless I have evidence that this is the case, especially if the information about the XML comes from one of the world's very top experts. But more importantly, I still think that seeing two duplicate IDs is not evidence of a problem with the way the technical writers/taggers have been trained, it is a problem with the tools they are using. The tools should stop it happening. Michael Kay Saxonica
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