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RE: xml-dev Digest 1 Sep 2009 10:58:09 -0000 Issue 2227 [T20090901009NS0

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On September 1, 2009 at 10:58 AM, xml-dev-digest-help@lists.xml.org wrote:

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On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Costello, Roger L. < costello@mitre.org> wrote:

<...>
What is Data?
<...>

The answer is of sufficient magnitude to fill a book. May I recommend the excellent "Data and Reality" (Kent, 1978, http://www.amazon.com/Data-Reality-William-Kent/dp/1585009709).

Cheers,
Josh Matthews

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From: "Uche Ogbuji"
To: "Peter Hunsberger"
CC: "Simon St.Laurent" , "xml-dev@lists.xml.org"
Subject: Re: What is Data?
Sent Date: Tue Sep 01 10:57:58 GMT 2009

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Peter Hunsberger < peter.hunsberger@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Simon St.Laurent< simonstl@simonstl.com> wrote:
> Peter Hunsberger wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Costello, Roger L.< costello@mitre.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What is Data?
>>
>> Data is information that lacks context.
>
> Or data is information fragmented to optimize logical processing, rather
> than assembled for human comprehension.

What do humans have to do with any of this?

I think you and Simon are really in violent agreement. "Context" is ultimately a construction of humanity. I think, for example, RDF folks were slow to understand this.

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