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> > Defaulting values came from SGML days and DTDs.. So it's > been around > > for a while. Many folks have wanted the validation and > augmentation > > steps separate though no real progress on that. > > Adding default information and other properties is a very > respectable thing for a schema language to do, IMHO. > I think that the database community has actually done a better job in this area than the SGML/XML community. In a database schema, you typically distinguish: (a) structural constraints (which columns go in which tables, the equivalent of our grammars) (b) integrity constraints (the equivalent of our assertions, as in Schematron or XSD 1.1) (c) view definitions (subsetted or augmented or otherwise transformed information that can be exposed to an application) A key point about view definitions (or subschemas, as they were called before the relationalists took over) is that you can have many of them, so different applications can see different views. We don't seem to have grasped that idea, though we struggle with the consequences. And subsetting is at least as important as augmenting. Another point which SQL got right is that you can use the same language to define queries as to define views, so once you have a working query you can treat its result as a view. This of course demands closure, that is, the output of a query/view uses the original data model, which relates back to the point Rick made about the PSVI being expressible in XML. (Once again, Roger has triggered an interesting discussion by asking what appeared to be a really trivial question!) Michael Kay http://www.saxonica.com/
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