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RE: [offtopic] your participation is necessary

• From: "Michael Kay" <mike@s...>
• To: "'Jonathan Robie'" <jonathan.robie@r...>,"'Dmitry Turin'" <dev3os@n...>
• Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:37:01 +0100

I think Dmitry told us a while ago that he doesn't do implementation.

To be honest, it's a bit like walking up to Boeing and Airbus with some
sketches of a new plane and asking them to build it. We can wish you luck,
but we won't be placing our bets on it.

Michael Kay
http://www.saxonica.com/ 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Robie [mailto:jonathan.robie@r...] 
> Sent: 21 May 2008 15:29
> To: Dmitry Turin
> Cc: xml-dev@l...
> Subject: Re:  [offtopic] your participation is necessary
> 
> Hi Dmitry,
> 
> If you are looking for implementations, the best way is 
> generally to implement it yourself, or find someone who is 
> excited about your ideas and convince them to implement it. A 
> standards committee is a very indirect way to get 
> implementations, and if you want to propose this as a 
> standard, a community of users and implementations will help 
> you make your case.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> Dmitry Turin wrote:
> > Man of good will,
> >
> > please, help me. I'd like to get SQL5 [1] (which support process of 
> > XML and has some other features) implemented in at least one DBMS 
> > (SQL5 is public domain). There are two ways to get it: to 
> submit for 
> > companies, to standardize in ISO JTC1 SC32 WG3 or WG4 [2].
> >
> > I appealed to Microsoft, Oracle, and IBM (submission is registered 
> > with #13795 of February 14 2008).
> > They are executing own plans and did not draw decision to implement 
> > SQL5 (one man from russian department of Oracle even wrote me, that 
> > their managers don't like new ideas at all). I also can't 
> find anybody 
> > from Sybase, who would advocate proposal in his company. 
> The same with 
> > hackers of free DBMS Postgres.
> >
> > Participation in JTC1 SC32 is possible only via National 
> Body [3], but 
> > russian NB ("Federal Agency on Technical Regulating and Metrology" 
> > [4]) really does not work (it's a pity, it's usual for 
> organizations 
> > of Russia).
> >
> > Thus i ask you to submit SQL5 to your National Technical 
> Committee for 
> > consideration (SQL5 would have the "approval"
> > of committee, so it would have a much better chance to pass 
> at the ISO 
> > meetings) and to SC32 via your own National Body as an Individual 
> > Expert's contribution (document would be provided to the 
> ISO committee 
> > for consideration on its own merits even without any approval from 
> > your country).
> > I ask you a lot to help.
> >
> > [1] http://sql50.euro.ru/sql5.16.1.pdf
> > [2] http://jtc1sc32.org
> > [3] http://jtc1sc32.org/membership.html
> > [4] http://www.gost.ru
> >
> >
> > Dmitry Turin
> >
> >
> > 
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  • [offtopic] your participation is necessary
    • From: Dmitry Turin <dev3os@n...>
  • Re: [offtopic] your participation is necessary
    • From: Jonathan Robie <jonathan.robie@r...>