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RE: XML vs relational database

• From: "Len Bullard" <cbullard@h...>
• To: "'Ken North'" <kennorth@s...>, "'Len Bullard'" <len.bullard@u...>, "'Jim Melton'" <jim.melton@a...>
• Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:08:56 -0500

Nonetheless, claims are made because they work the Politics of Stuff to an
advantage.  As a result, in documentDB apps, it was a near run thing.  As I
said, hordes.  Mass mind.  Wisdom of crowds, the meme stchtick to void out
the older terms for first-order/second-order transitions in cybertetics:
control emergence (engine of choice over some domain appearing given some
set of value transactions given multiple choosers; do queries shape systems?
How are values determined, or what is domain evolution?).

Understand, I love relational dbs, SQL etc.  Now that there are XML data
types, I have the best of both worlds data-wise.

So the messaging strategies are the new political ground for stuff.  The fun
of this list is and always has been it's ability to debate until the
essentials of the technical points are visible to lurkers everywhere.  

Fine service, really. 

len

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken North [mailto:kennorth@s...] 
 
>> We wouldn't have anything.  The outcry would have been "SQL does all of
that
>> already".  If the counter arguments had been one metalevel above the
current
>> understanding of the hordes of commenting parties, the political battle
>> would have been over right there.

Let's distinguish between the storage engine used for an SQL product and the

query language itself. Even though the storage engine of an SQL product
might 
handle nested sets, the SQL query language of that era wasn't powerful
enough 
for a reasonable person to argue "SQL does all of that already".
Capabilities 
such as XML schema mapping or using a DTD or schema to validate query
results 
were beyond the scope of the SQL language of that time.

It would surprise me if Jim Melton feels updating the standard from SQL-92
to 
SQL/XML has been a slam dunk.







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    • From: "Ken North" <kennorth@s...>