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Re: better (?) than DOM

• From: Manos Batsis <manos_lists@g...>
• To: "Nathan Young -X (natyoung - Artizen at Cisco)" <natyoung@c...>
• Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:35:23 +0200

Nathan Young -X (natyoung - Artizen at Cisco) wrote:
> jQuery('#myDiv').append(
>     jQuery.DIV({'class':'big'},
>         jQuery.SPAN({id:'one','class':'ps'},
>             'Hello Joe', jQuery.I({},'!')
>         )
>     )
> );

Looks very convenient.Maybe i need to add something like it in sarissa ;-)

Cheers,

Manos


> 
> If you started with:
> 
> <root>
>    <div id="myDiv"></div>
> </root>
> 
> and ran the code shown above you'd end up with:
> 
> <root>
>    <div id="myDiv"><div class="big"><span id="one" class="ps">Hello Joe<i>!</i></span></div></div>
> </root>
> 
> ---->Nathan
> 
> 
> .:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:.
> 
> Nathan Young
> Cisco.com->Interface Development
> A: ncy1717
> E: natyoung@c...  
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Manos Batsis [mailto:manos_lists@g...] 
>> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 4:24 AM
>> To: Nathan Young -X (natyoung - Artizen at Cisco)
>> Subject: Re:  better (?) than DOM
>>
>> Quoting "Nathan Young -X (natyoung - Artizen at Cisco)"
>> <natyoung@c...>:
>>> [...] The
>>> perennial topic is "DOM programming is 
>> broken/clunky/doesn't fit task
>>> X well and should be replaced/enhanced/etc"
>> Whether DOM is broken or not is largely irrelevant IMHO. Browsers have
>> built their codebases on lots of legacy stuff that makes the situation
>> more complex, for example their distinction between XML and HTML (i.e.
>> tagsoup) nodes and hence, the incompatibility between those.
>> Interoperability is probably the greatest obstacle.
>>
>>
>> [...]
>>> I'm not aware of any crosstalk between JS library creators 
>> and anyone
>>> who may be working on formal enhancements to DOM.
>> Making good DOM extensions is not trivial; different code styles and
>> backgrounds makes it hard to come up with generic requirements. Some
>> people are client-side purists while others demand better integration
>> with their server-side logic. In other news, binding data state to UI
>> elements or widgets is something XForms tried to do with few 
>> followers.
>>
>>
>>> I think over the next
>>> year or so these libraries are going to consolidate and some good
>>> ideas will float to the top.
>> Perhaps they will, but the competitive mentality right now 
>> leaves little
>> room for co-op. Mailinglists where created for the purpose 
>> that ended up
>> as generic ajax talk.
>>
>>
>>> This is a long way from pure DOM programming and it goes deep in
>>> javascript only territory.  Parts of it though are pure shortcut
>>> across multiple DOM calls.
>> I think thats natural. DOM had to address different types of languages
>> (as in strongly versus loosly typed) so different implementations of 
>> the Façades/utility methods are appropriate in different languages.
>>
>> My point is, (i think :-) that DOM more or less did what it had to do
>> and the situation you describe concerns not the API but the 
>> client-side
>> scripting community, the browser vendors and the interaction 
>> between the
>> different (sub)parties in those.
>>
>> Kindest regards,
>>
>> Manos
>>
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