[XML-DEV Mailing List Archive Home] [By Thread] [By Date] [Recent Entries] [Reply To This Message] RE: Mailmen, Post, intent, and Duck Typing
Seems right, Sterling. Note that critics of Grice equate that to the Relevance Principle. The paper I cited critiques Grice's Maxims but notes that they have a loose validity. Pragmatics concerns itself with the implications of speech acts within a context/situation. So in two examples from the web: If I understand it, http is designed to make it possible to use the network with the fewest assumptions and implications about the content's meaning when accessed. If I access a product page, the implication that I am buying a product, and secondarily, transacting a charge against my bank acount shouldn't be valid unless I explicitly order it. The legal restriction that I can't truncate a URI to access a resource is architectural nonsense because the system is designed to work that way. So it is the responsibility of the resource administrator to explicitly restrict access because the architectural design implicitly declares any content to be public unless explicitly restricted. The law should reflect the technical reality and not attempt to legislate against the grain of the architecture. Pragmatics make the obligation of the speaker to be clear and the obligation hearer to map to the intent of the speaker a field of study. Is it useful (in the YAGNI sense)? There possibly will be pragmatic layer systems (see the papers of Aldo de Moor, et al) that are useful. There are cases such as illustrated above that I think are easily made using this subfield and applying it to architectural decisions. In short: I think it worth understanding technically and in domains outside our technology. If, as Peter notes, we have to have webPsychs to use the system, we may be into YAGNI but given the webPsychos, maybe not. len -----Original Message----- From: me [mailto:sstouden@t...] Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 3:05 PM To: xml-dev@l... Subject: Mailmen, Post, intent, and Duck Typing Mr. Bullard, I have reduced you fri, 24 feb 2006 post and attempted to summarize it for my understanding. Please tell me if I have it right. Thanks. sterling Cooperative Principle is a concept by Grice: it says to be useful a taxonomy should classify and order its objects in ways which correspond to how it might be used? to use it requires efficient methods to access the designed content: operationally: simple primitives for hardware functionally: assumptions about the presentation to the user http verbs imply: efficient coding SOAP implies efficient physical means to retrieve the content identifiers ( metawords) imply search recognition efficiency design effort: implies a worthy value on return to a search hit. ----------------------------------------------------------------- The xml-dev list is sponsored by XML.org <http://www.xml.org>, an initiative of OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> The list archives are at http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the subscription manager: <http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/index.php>
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