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 Rex.. That's a very long waffle to be reading in one breath.. maybe next time you need to insert some <coffeebreak/> symbols so we know when we can a breather.. :-) Is this like philosophy? a lesson from Solomon ? or a shot at somebody...? or attempt to establish a new techno-cult? I just had a bit of trouble trying to understand who is the target audience. Maybe it is just a very big mystery that mere mortals like the rest of us simply can't fathom out during the course of our working lives. Oh well.. keep working on the spec/scriptures and let us know when it's finished.. there's bound to be some true believers out there somewhere. Maybe they are writing their 'bible code' decoders for web-services specs as we speak.. you just never know... David On Mon, 30 May 2005 9:17 am, Rex Brooks wrote: > While this is true for the perpetual world of con artists and > grifters, and those on whom they prey, and for the equally perpetual > professional gadflies whose avocation appears to be to puncture the > also perpetual puffed up human egotists who appear to be born > "experts" on just about everything and whose love of their own voices > vocally or verbally seems to know no bounds. > > However, there is a growing body of standards and practices for both > loosely coupled but well-bound WSDL and SOAP based web services AND > RESTful web services based largely on structural capabilities > inherent in the current and future Web Services Architecture > promulgated by the W3C. > > Please be aware when you toss out the makings for new assaults in > this permathread that asking for or providing short answers for how > to build, publish service descriptions, establish reliable > connections for web service consumers and transact reliable, secure > web service operations to deliver valuable, cost-worthy > functionalities over the web is not wise and most likely to produce > poor definitions and wider misinformation than we already have. > > Since I have been working for three and half years in the OASIS WSRP > TC and for the last few months in the newly formed SOA Reference > Model TC, I can vouch for how difficult it is to develop sound, > reliable specifications, definitions and practices for this arena, > especially since it is almost guaranteed that the future of computing > will be dominated by the paradigms being developed in this field. > > Like it or lump it, you will be dealing with it, so spit into the > wind at your own risk. However, it is always tremendous fun to watch > while pedants and gurus expound on these topics. > > My own position is to attempt to help shape this new technology into > more workable pathways and learn it from the inside out while it is > possible to do so. Three years ago it was almost pure hype with a > tiny proportion of real work and a few major vendors vying to "own" > this space. Now it is due to become, in the world of public > perception, the province of equally perpetual gurus who have an > almost irresistible compulsion to evangelize in these early stages of > development and who tend to become "bleeding deacons" decrying the > loss of true vision and purpose as what they consider their > brainchildren develop their own lifecycles apart from the > predilections of early adopters and true believers alike. > > This opinion is based on observing similar processes over the course > of the last 30 years of tech development.. > > Ciao, > Rex > > At 10:29 AM +0100 5/30/05, Michael Kay wrote: > >OK, here's my answer. The term "web service" means anything the > >speaker wants it to mean. Like "service oriented architecture" or > >"native XML database" or "electronic business" it's a fuzzy term > >that different people will define in different ways, depending on > >what they are trying to sell you. > > > >Michael Kay > ><http://www.saxonica.com/>http://www.saxonica.com/ > > > > > >From: Razvan MIHAIU [mailto:mihaiu@m...] > >Sent: 29 May 2005 17:43 > >To: xml-dev@l... > >Subject: Re: What are web services ? > > > > > > This is not that much off-topic. Please make the courage to answer > > :-( > > > >>Hi, > >> > >> > >> Were can I find a good definition of this ? A web > >>service must be based on SOAP in order to belong in this category ? > >>A web service must use XML for transferring data (like SOAP) ? Can > >>we have web services without WSDL and UDDI ? > >> > >> > >>Regards, > >>Razvan > > > >-- > >Regards, > >Razvan > > > >SCJP preparation material: > > > ><http://www.mihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035/index.html>www..mihaiu. > >name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035/index.html > > <http://www.mihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test1/index.html>www.m > >ihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test1/index.html > > <http://www.mihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test2/index.html>www.m > >ihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test2/index.html > > <http://www.mihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test3/index.html>www.m > >ihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test3/index.html > > <http://www.mihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test4/index.html>www.m > >ihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test4/index.html > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Regards, > >Razvan > > > >SCJP preparation material: > > > ><http://www.mihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035/index.html>www..mihaiu. > >name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035/index.html > > <http://www.mihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test1/index.html>www.m > >ihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test1/index.html > > <http://www.mihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test2/index.html>www.m > >ihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test2/index.html > > <http://www.mihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test3/index.html>www.m > >ihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test3/index.html > > <http://www.mihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test4/index.html>www.m > >ihaiu.name/2004/sun_java_scjp_310_035_test4/index.html -- Computergrid : The ones with the most connections win. 
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