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1/14/2002 4:11:48 PM, "Bullard, Claude L (Len)" <clbullar@i...> wrote: >Now is that pattern emergent or simply "discoverable"? Well, at least the hard core Swarm Intelligence people would say that patterns "emerge" from a) some laws of complex systems that we don't understand and/or b) natural (or artificial) selection. I wouldn't pretend to understand any of this well enough to go there ... Anyway, I think it makes sense for humans to exploit whatever abstract knowledge we have of "ideal type purchase orders" to jump start the process, and I'm not going to draw a sharp boundary between "a fuzzy conception of an ideal type" and a "schema that is too abstract to express in XSD or RELAX." > >Think of the job SETI does. Given the universe, >can you conceive of universal schemata that would >automatically detect a well-formed message from an >alien culture? If you scope that "in terms of our >own understanding", you can and it might look distressingly >like the "limerick" designs: it can't detect meaning, >but it can find patterns that nature does not produce. >Is that useful? Whooo-eee, this discussion is getting farther removed from XML than even the limerick thread! I think I'll probably be lynched for starting it.... but yes, I think that finding SETI patterns that are clearly artificial even if we have no idea what they mean would be useful ... Again, my point here is more or less what Simon said: there's value in a view of XML processing where you extract as much signal as you can out of the noise, rather than rejecting everything that isn't perfectly schema-valid. It applies to a different set of problems than most XML users have traditionally focussed on, and requires a mindset that is quite different than is being promoted by the W3C these days.
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