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RE: XML across varied Servers

• From: Joshua Allen <joshuaa@m...>
• To: "'johns@s...'" <johns@s...>, "'mark hu'" <mark@f...>, "'Narayanan, Ramesh'" <RNarayanan@p...>, "'Marcel Ruff'" <ruff@s...>, xml-dev@x...
• Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:55:25 -0700

Dave Winer's Definition:

"SOAP is an XML format, specification, and a set of implementations that
allow software running on disparate operating systems, running in different
environments to make procedure calls over the Internet."

I think of it as a complement to COM or CORBA, though, not
necessarily a replacement.  SOAP doesn't have to run over
HTTP, BTW -- you can send and receive SOAP messages over
any transport you like.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: johns@s... [mailto:johns@s...]
> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 2:20 PM
> To: 'mark hu'; 'Narayanan, Ramesh'; 'Marcel Ruff'; xml-dev@x...
> Subject: RE: XML across varied Servers
> 
> 
> Mark Hu wrote:
> "Thanks for your input, and first of all, I believe u know 
> bit about SOAP,
> and if so, MS SOAP Toolkti is based on COM,..."
> 
> Actually, SOAP is not based on COM, it is an alternative to 
> COM that runs
> over HTTP. That is why, I imagine, IBM is pushing it.
> 
> Yours,
> John F Schlesinger
> SysCore Solutions
> 212 619 5200 x 219
> 917 886 5895 Mobile
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xml-dev@x... [mailto:owner-xml-dev@x...]On Behalf Of
> mark hu
> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 3:50 PM
> To: Narayanan, Ramesh; Marcel Ruff; xml-dev@x...
> Subject: Re: XML across varied Servers
> 
> 
> Thanks for your input, and first of all, I believe u know bit 
> about SOAP,
> and if so, MS SOAP Toolkti is based on COM, obviously, u can 
> write the same
> code in CORBA - the object model does not really matter for 
> the path you are
> taking now, back to couple of years ago, there was a Unix COM 
> lib support
> already, besides, if u read Anthony's mail - Re: XML across 
> varied servers
> ...
> * Set up a file share on NT, use samba on UNIX to
>  place the file on the share.  Use NT "at" scheduler
>  to periodically check for and process new files.
>  If going from NT to UNIX, use cron.
> 
> * Drop xml files on an NFS-shared volume and use
>  NT SFU to grab from UNIX periodically.
> 
> * Use FTP to push or pull the files periodically
> ...
> and if u know COM pretty well, u may know u can write 
> executable based COM
> server on Unix side, and put the other COM clients or servers 
> on NT side,
> and the inter-communications between them are surely easy, u 
> can also call
> NT side COM server or service from Unix side through the Unix 
> COM server
> mentioned above, combined with SOAP protocol, u can surely transfer
> what-ever data u want to, and COM+ improve asynch. calls over 
> COM - cause
> COM+ wrap up all the services in NT option-pack into OS 
> level, this will
> help - in this way, u make a call from your NT side COM 
> client, and send it
> to Unix based COM server, then contiue your regular job - the 
> notification
> will reach u later without touching your finger, briefly, 
> that's all - put
> in this way, we can say: COM+ = COM + MTS + MSMQ + ....., 
> makeit clear,
> right ?
> 
> 
> 
> mark
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Narayanan, Ramesh <RNarayanan@p...>
> To: 'mark hu' <mark@f...>; Marcel Ruff <ruff@s...>;
> Narayanan, Ramesh <RNarayanan@p...>; <xml-dev@x...>
> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 3:07 PM
> Subject: RE: XML across varied Servers
> 
> 
> > First Thanks to everyone for all your suggestions.
> >
> > CORBA or COM are good between systems that support that 
> architecture. But
> > when calls have to be made between UNIX to NT, for example, 
> how can i use
> > COM+ ?
> > Also, CORBA calls become difficult to implement in NT. And 
> anyway if i use
> > these proprietary calls to send data, doesnt that defeat 
> the purpose of
> XML
> > ? The same goes for MSMQ/MQSeries . and anyway MSMQ by 
> itself (except in
> > conjunction with LEVEL8's Geneva) doesnt talk to Unix Server,right ?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ramesh
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mark hu [mailto:mark@f...]
> > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 12:51 PM
> > To: Marcel Ruff; Narayanan, Ramesh; xml-dev@x...
> > Subject: Re: XML across varied Servers
> >
> >
> > it does not have to be CORBA aware.......... ???,  there's 
> no any link
> > between asynch. sending/receiving and CORBA, FYI, COM(+) 
> supports asynch.
> > calls, messaging and nofication pretty well as well - some 
> aspects are
> even
> > better than current CORBA.
> >
> > mark
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Marcel Ruff <ruff@s...>
> > To: Narayanan, Ramesh <RNarayanan@p...>; 
> <xml-dev@x...>
> > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 3:48 AM
> > Subject: Re: XML across varied Servers
> >
> >
> > > "Narayanan, Ramesh" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello everybody,
> > > >
> > > >         I understand that XML is great for moving data across
> > applications
> > > > running under different OS. Every book and article says 
> this is the
> > primary
> > > > goal of XML. But i dont understand how this is implemented. More
> > > > specifically , i need to send an XML document 
> asynchronously from an
> > Unix
> > > > Server to a Windows NT Server, neither of them running 
> a web server.
> How
> > can
> > > > this be done, without using MSMQ or MQSeries ?  Could 
> somebody throw
> > some
> > > > light on this ?
> > > Consider xmlBlaster, it is a free MOM for commercials as well
> > > and runs anywhere.
> > >    http://www.xmlBlaster.org
> > >
> > > You can asynchronously send/receive  XML data using all 
> CORBA aware
> > > languages like C++, Java, Perl etc.
> > > XML-RPC support is under construction as well.
> > >
> > > Marcel
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Marcel Ruff
> > > ruff@s...
> > > http://www.lake.de/home/lake/swand/
> > > http://www.xmlBlaster.org
> > >
> > >
> >
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