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Schematron is also used in healthcare (HL7's CDA document format is XML) for validity checks that XML Schema doesn't support. Lauren On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Eliot Kimber <ekimber@c...> wrote: > Those of us who use Oxygen to work on DITA documents depend very heavily > on the Schematrons that validate the large number of DITA rules that can't > be codified in a DTD. > > Cheers, > > E. > > ---- > Eliot Kimber, Owner > Contrext, LLC > http://contrext.com > > > > > On 5/19/16, 12:07 PM, "Tommie Usdin" <btusdin@m...> wrote: > >>I hadn¹t thought about it that way but I agree with Simon: Schematron >>(and the logic/mechanism that drives it) have enormous potential. >> >>Schematron is seriously cool - and (at least in the tiny pond I swim in) >>growing in importance. >> >>Rick: I doubt that you hear this often so I¹ll say it agin: well done! >> >>‹ Tommie >> >> >>> On May 19, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Simon St.Laurent <simonstl@s...> >>>wrote: >>> >>> Seconded! >>> >>> In the long run, I think Schematron may well be the XML project's >>>greatest technical legacy to the world. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Simon >>> >>> >>> On 5/19/2016 8:08 AM, Dave Pawson wrote: >>>> Thanks Rick for >>>> a) coming up with Schematron - simple when explained well, >>>> horrendously complex until then. >>>> b) the work you've put in to get it to ISO. >>>> >>>> It's slowly disappearing into the woodwork, as is XML, just a nice >>>> tool to use when needed. >>>> IMHO a vote of confidence. So bloody useful it should not be allowed >>>>to die. >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Dave P >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 19 May 2016 at 12:53, Rick Jelliffe <rjelliffe@a...> >>>>wrote: >>>>> The 2006 edition of schematron came out in 2006, but it was largely >>>>>based on >>>>> Schematron circa 2003. >>>>> >>>>> In 2007 I put out a request for suggestions to the public >>>>> >>>>>http://archive.oreilly.com/pub/post/what_else_should_schematron_ha.html >>>>> >>>>> In 2008 I submitted my ideas to the ISO group. You can hear the audio >>>>> through the link. I requested more comments from the Schematron mail >>>>>list >>>>> etc. >>>>> http://www.eccnet.com/pipermail/schematron/2008-October/000061.html >>>>> I had implemented most of the changes in the Schematron.com version. >>>>> >>>>> In 2010 I made a draft revision, and asked the community for comments. >>>>> >>>>>http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/04/public-draft-of-next-generatio.htm >>>>>l >>>>> >>>>> The Working Group submitted it to international voting. It was >>>>>accepted with >>>>> conditional revisions by Japan on a particular explanatory issue >>>>>relating to >>>>> predicate logic. >>>>> >>>>> At this stage, it stalled. [[I found it impossible to find anyone in >>>>> Australia familiar enough with predicate logic syntax to get the >>>>>parts that >>>>> Japan was concerned about right: I finally found a prof at UNSW who >>>>>would >>>>> help, but I had conked out: it took multiple years to recover from my >>>>> pericardial surgeries. My hard disk and my new backup drive failed, >>>>>so I >>>>> lost my sources: Murphy's law. Access to Schematron.com fell into a >>>>>black >>>>> hole as an ISP changed (no drama, but no resolution still) and I >>>>>needed to >>>>> concentrate on rebuilding my life: I think I worked pretty hard for >>>>>the >>>>> first decade of Schematron from 1999 on Schematron, especially >>>>>trying to >>>>> list on my blog various techniques that otherwise someone might >>>>>patent, >>>>> more work than I could do in the second decade. (I have worked on >>>>>using >>>>> Schematron for three very large multi-year projects though: so it is >>>>>still >>>>> in my life.)]] >>>>> >>>>> I did move the code to google.com but this needs to get moved to >>>>>gitlab. >>>>> >>>>> ISO standards are renewed every ten years. So the version that ISO has >>>>> adopted as the 2016 standard is the 2010 revision. Hurray! I am often >>>>> surprised where it is used, and thAt it really has a good life of its >>>>>own >>>>> without any push by me. For example, procurement : PEPPOL BIS v1- >>>>>optional ‹ >>>>> PEPPOL | Pan-European Public Procurement Online. >>>>> >>>>> Finally it is out: and a very big thanks to Murata-san and the WG for >>>>>taking >>>>> over and seeing it through when I could not. And a bigger apology >>>>>that I >>>>> could not complete the last steps of the Editor's job as committed. >>>>> >>>>> If you are looking at other extensions that build on Schematron: the >>>>>two >>>>> biggies are UBL code lists and W3CQuickFix. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Rick >>>>> >>>>> On 14/05/2016 1:25 AM, "Tony Graham" <tgraham@a...> wrote: >>>>>> I found out today that a second edition of ISO Schematron was >>>>>>published >>>>>> in January: https://webstore.iec.ch/publication/24049 >>>>>> >>>>>> - Is there a publicly available version of the standard, as there is >>>>>> for the first edition [1]? >>>>>> >>>>>> Buying it from ISO comes out at about EUR 4 per page, but if you >>>>>> shop around, you can get it for nearly twice that [2]. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Are the schemas for Schematron and SVRL publicly available? >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm told that SVRL now allows rich and foreign elements and >>>>>> attributes in failed-assert and successful-report, but that's >>>>>> all that I know. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Are there updated XSLT stylesheets available for working with >>>>>> second-edition Schematron? >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Tony Graham. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Senior Architect >>>>>> XML Division >>>>>> Antenna House, Inc. >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> Skerries, Ireland >>>>>> tgraham@a... >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] >>>>>>http://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/index.html >>>>>> [2] http://shop.bsigroup.com/ProductDetail/?pid=000000000030219663 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>______________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>_ >>>>>> >>>>>> XML-DEV is a publicly archived, unmoderated list hosted by OASIS >>>>>> to support XML implementation and development. 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