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I hadn’t thought about it that way but I agree with Simon: Schematron (and the logic/mechanism that drives it) have enormous potential. Schematron is seriously cool - and (at least in the tiny pond I swim in) growing in importance. Rick: I doubt that you hear this often so I’ll say it agin: well done! — Tommie > On May 19, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Simon St.Laurent <simonstl@s...> wrote: > > Seconded! > > In the long run, I think Schematron may well be the XML project's greatest technical legacy to the world. > > Thanks, > > Simon > > > On 5/19/2016 8:08 AM, Dave Pawson wrote: >> Thanks Rick for >> a) coming up with Schematron - simple when explained well, >> horrendously complex until then. >> b) the work you've put in to get it to ISO. >> >> It's slowly disappearing into the woodwork, as is XML, just a nice >> tool to use when needed. >> IMHO a vote of confidence. So bloody useful it should not be allowed to die. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Dave P >> >> >> >> On 19 May 2016 at 12:53, Rick Jelliffe <rjelliffe@a...> wrote: >>> The 2006 edition of schematron came out in 2006, but it was largely based on >>> Schematron circa 2003. >>> >>> In 2007 I put out a request for suggestions to the public >>> http://archive.oreilly.com/pub/post/what_else_should_schematron_ha.html >>> >>> In 2008 I submitted my ideas to the ISO group. You can hear the audio >>> through the link. I requested more comments from the Schematron mail list >>> etc. >>> http://www.eccnet.com/pipermail/schematron/2008-October/000061.html >>> I had implemented most of the changes in the Schematron.com version. >>> >>> In 2010 I made a draft revision, and asked the community for comments. >>> http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/04/public-draft-of-next-generatio.html >>> >>> The Working Group submitted it to international voting. It was accepted with >>> conditional revisions by Japan on a particular explanatory issue relating to >>> predicate logic. >>> >>> At this stage, it stalled. [[I found it impossible to find anyone in >>> Australia familiar enough with predicate logic syntax to get the parts that >>> Japan was concerned about right: I finally found a prof at UNSW who would >>> help, but I had conked out: it took multiple years to recover from my >>> pericardial surgeries. My hard disk and my new backup drive failed, so I >>> lost my sources: Murphy's law. Access to Schematron.com fell into a black >>> hole as an ISP changed (no drama, but no resolution still) and I needed to >>> concentrate on rebuilding my life: I think I worked pretty hard for the >>> first decade of Schematron from 1999 on Schematron, especially trying to >>> list on my blog various techniques that otherwise someone might patent, >>> more work than I could do in the second decade. (I have worked on using >>> Schematron for three very large multi-year projects though: so it is still >>> in my life.)]] >>> >>> I did move the code to google.com but this needs to get moved to gitlab. >>> >>> ISO standards are renewed every ten years. So the version that ISO has >>> adopted as the 2016 standard is the 2010 revision. Hurray! I am often >>> surprised where it is used, and thAt it really has a good life of its own >>> without any push by me. For example, procurement : PEPPOL BIS v1- optional — >>> PEPPOL | Pan-European Public Procurement Online. >>> >>> Finally it is out: and a very big thanks to Murata-san and the WG for taking >>> over and seeing it through when I could not. And a bigger apology that I >>> could not complete the last steps of the Editor's job as committed. >>> >>> If you are looking at other extensions that build on Schematron: the two >>> biggies are UBL code lists and W3CQuickFix. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Rick >>> >>> On 14/05/2016 1:25 AM, "Tony Graham" <tgraham@a...> wrote: >>>> I found out today that a second edition of ISO Schematron was published >>>> in January: https://webstore.iec.ch/publication/24049 >>>> >>>> - Is there a publicly available version of the standard, as there is >>>> for the first edition [1]? >>>> >>>> Buying it from ISO comes out at about EUR 4 per page, but if you >>>> shop around, you can get it for nearly twice that [2]. >>>> >>>> - Are the schemas for Schematron and SVRL publicly available? >>>> >>>> I'm told that SVRL now allows rich and foreign elements and >>>> attributes in failed-assert and successful-report, but that's >>>> all that I know. >>>> >>>> - Are there updated XSLT stylesheets available for working with >>>> second-edition Schematron? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> Tony Graham. >>>> -- >>>> Senior Architect >>>> XML Division >>>> Antenna House, Inc. >>>> ---- >>>> Skerries, Ireland >>>> tgraham@a... >>>> >>>> [1] http://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/index.html >>>> [2] http://shop.bsigroup.com/ProductDetail/?pid=000000000030219663 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> XML-DEV is a publicly archived, unmoderated list hosted by OASIS >>>> to support XML implementation and development. 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