Re: Re: Re: Where does the "nothing left but toolkits"myth com

Hi Kurt,

It seems that you send the reply only to me, while, obviously, you ment to
send it to everyone. Or am I wrong?


Cheers,
Dimitre

--- Kurt Cagle <kurt.cagle@g...> wrote:

  

One of the things I'm unsure about in this thread is the degree to which

a toolkit and an IDE mesh. I, like Dmitre, work heavily with several 
IDEs, including Stylus, Oxygen and XSelerator, and I too would be remiss

in saying that I have trouble when I'm forced back into routine text 
mode because those tools aren't handy. Having said that, are these IDEs 
toolkits? To me, a toolkit is a generator that completely abstracts out 
the generation of the code from the presentation of that code - for 
instance, by using diagrams to represent specific elements and their 
connection points, then letting those diagrams act as proxies in 
generating the code. A web services toolkit would let you create a UML 
instance as listbox entries and text fields, generate the corresponding 
WSDL and SOAP proxies, and provide the appropriate code-gen wrappers. 
While I would be perfectly comfortable doing that for web services, I 
would be MUCH more skittish about giving the system that level of 
control for the generation of XSLT, as I think a lot of the power of 
that language comes in the ability to recognize pattern abstractions 
that lie outside of the scope of what an IDE can promise.

-- Kurt


Dimitre Novatchev wrote"

    

"Rich Salz" <rsalz@d...> wrote in message
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The point that hand-authored XML may be a small percentage of the
volume but it is more important as assets in the typical system is a
very interesting one that I'll have to think about.
     

          

Don't forget to include other XML "languages" such as XSLT.
   

        

For the last three years I have been using a nice XSLT IDE to write
      

XSLT
    

code. Without the XSelerator I wouldn't have written probably half of
      

this
    

code.

As the technology matures we're having a growing number of other very
      

good
    

XSLT IDEs around -- the one in Visual Studio 2005, Stylus Studio,
      

Oxygen,
    

..., etc.

With this tendency in mind I predict that in the nearest future
any serious XSLT development that is not based on the use of an XSLT
      

IDE
    

will be close to zero.

Dimitre Novatchev.






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Cheers,

Dimitre Novatchev.
http://fxsl.sourceforge.net/ -- the home of FXSL


		
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