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Re: Partyin' like it's 1999

• To: Elliotte Harold <elharo@m...>
• Subject: Re: Partyin' like it's 1999
• From: Burak Emir <Burak.Emir@e...>
• Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:32:42 +0200
• Cc: Rich Salz <rsalz@d...>, "xml-dev@l..." <xml-dev@l...>
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Elliotte Harold wrote:

> Rich Salz wrote:
>
>
>> Yes, right now, it is probably not a performance issue that a streaming
>> parser has to buffer everything until it sees the ">".  That can only be
>> addressed by anecdotal evidence. What is more important is that
>> *architecturally* this is a bottleneck. As things get faster, all the
>> other implementations (ew, a JVM? :) will fall away, and we'll still be
>> left with this architectural problem.  I betcha it's already an issue 
>> for
>> some folks building XML parsers in hardware.
>
>
> I don't believe that for a minute. As hardware gets faster, this will 
> too. As the VM and just in time compilers get better, this will too. 
> Other algorithms may get faster here and there, but they're not going 
> to zero. Unless someone has really good measurements to prove caching 
> attributes is a problem, I don't believe it.
>
> You say, "I betcha it's already an issue for some folks building XML 
> parsers in hardware." Datapower builds XML parsers in hardware. Are 
> you saying this is an issue for you? If so, please elaborate. If not, 
> why do you think it would be an issue?
>
You are not asking somebody to give out company secrets, are you :-)

The argument was about namespaces in XML.

>The fact that namespaces in XML requires you to parse all attributes before you can report the name of the start tag even in streaming implementations adds a significant perf cost.
>
Performance is nothing to worry about.

But the possibility to define, redefine, even UNDEFINE namespace scopes 
in every single XML element is a bit baroque.

I think those few applications that need to nest documents from 
namespaces unknown in advance could have dealt pretty well with 
<{ns}:lname/> and all others could have happily declared their 
namespaces in the root elemen.

Anyway, (sigh) the milk is already on the floor.

cheers,
Burak

• References:
  • RE: Partyin' like it's 1999
    • From: Rich Salz <rsalz@d...>
  • Re: Partyin' like it's 1999
    • From: Elliotte Harold <elharo@m...>

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