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[XML-DEV Mailing List Archive Home] [By Thread] [By Date] [Recent Entries] [Reply To This Message] RE: Are people really using Identity constraints specified in
 Bruce, Your problem is not at the end of the process - it's at the beginning! People creating patent submissions are using wordprocessors and other tools and these things are just giant doodle-pads into which you can key anything you want, anywhere you want it. So - your only recourse is to create an XML "wrapper" - into which you force them to cut and paste the relevant components - Abstract, References, blah, blah as text content - and then their original becomes an attachment. Good luck! DW ============================================================================== Quoting "Cox, Bruce" <Bruce.Cox@U...>: > I think CAM is not useful for me in that patents are not assembled from > boilerplate. Each one is unique. Even in a large organization that > produces many patents, only the most trivial of content is reused from > one patent to the next (company name, attorney name). I could be > mistaken, but I did not see a really rich content validation mechanism > in CAM, but a framework within which, in my case, there would still be > lots of custom work to do. Xpath is cool for validating across > elements, but most of what I want to do is within a single element in a > single document (even though there are six to eight thousand per week). > > > Bruce B. Cox > SA4XMLT > +1-703-306-2606 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hunsberger, Peter [mailto:Peter.Hunsberger@S...] > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:27 AM > To: bry@i... > Cc: xml-dev@l... > Subject: RE: Are people really using Identity constraints > specified in XML schema? > > bry@i... writes: > > > To: Hunsberger, Peter > > > > > > Many thanks for the link, when I first head of CAM the description > > > didn't make it sound at all useful (seems to me the name only > > > partially reflects the intended capabilities). This might be a > > > standard that we may eventually want to support. > > > > Well I don't know anything about patents, unless it were the glory > > days of patent medicine, the things that made me think about CAM was > > in the context of content assembly where the content is not in xml > > format, which I supposed some patents from various offices might not > > be. When you used the repository term there I immediately thought > > about CAM's requirements for maintaining transactional integrity. > > It was Bruce Cox who was asking from a patent perspective. I don't > think he saw CAM as being useful there, though I'm still not quite sure > why. > > We're doing development of data management systems for Clinical Trials > data. The CAM applicability here is not so much in transactional > assembly as it is in the way CAM allows for layers of customization: > we've got 100's of open trials that change on a regular basis. They all > feed in and out of a common database but even within a single protocol > (and a trial may have many protocols involved) there may be variations > on how a particular screen is presented and validated depending on the > context. > > > > Questions: > > > > > > 1) Just glancing at the spec it appears to have at least > > some overlap > > > with Schematron for parts of it. Anyone looked at a Schematron to > > > CAM(/subcomponent?) conversion or the converse? > > > > > glad to hear you say this, I also felt there were some schematron > > similarities in the constraints of xml documents using xpath > > obviously, however schematron doesn't really have any > > merging/assembling capabilities of inputs (meaning merging/assembling > > towards valid outputs). Personally I would really like seeing some > > sort of schematron/CAM interactivity, mainly cause it would be more > > interesting I think than CAM/XSD interactivity. > > Yes, CAM obviously tries to do more than Schematron which was why I put > the "subcomponent" qualification in there. Given the layers of > validation that CAM targets Schematron seems like a natural fit. > > > > > > 2) Any one using this for anything production like? > > > > According to David Webber British Telecomm is using up to 100 CAM > >templates for "checking field trouble ticket reports on a daily basis" > > >I don't know anything about field trouble tickets but supposedly they > >are troublesome, as well as being about trouble. As I understand they > >are using JCAM http://jcam.org.uk/ which is at an alpha state, I > >haven't used it yet, however the spec does seem reasonably clear to me > > >and probably wouldn't be too much trouble to implement. > > > > > > > > 3) Any recommended software? > > > > > > > > I'm not sure JCAM can be considered recommended, it's alpha (and I had > > > some troubles getting it running), David Webber is as I understand it > > > currently working on a project which should see JCAM finished by > > November. > > Looks potentially interesting. Also looks like something where you need > to have some person power to dedicate to both CAM development and the > regular line of business if you're going to get anywhere. No such luck > at the moment (sigh). > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > The xml-dev list is sponsored by XML.org <http://www.xml.org>, an > initiative of OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> > > The list archives are at http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the subscription > manager: <http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/index.php> > > 
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