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Re: patterns vs. identifiers

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• Subject: Re: patterns vs. identifiers
• From: Arjun Ray <aray@n...>
• Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 03:51:48 +0000
• In-reply-to: <E17jAka-0001uZ-00@m...>
• References: <aray@n...> of "Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:55:43 -0000." <441jmu49cf1h6cvbr4egq1clr87ipti8ac@4...> <E17jAka-0001uZ-00@m...>

Uche Ogbuji <uche.ogbuji@f...> wrote:
| [Arjun Ray:]

|> When it comes to naming things, there seems to be two schools of thought,
|> platonist naming by provenance and instrumental naming by purpose.  
| 
| Humph!  I see far more than these 2 "schools of thought". 

I'm sorry, I didn't make it obvious enough that I was talking about names
for markup. 

|> Universal names are a chimera, a maguffin.
| 
| Yes.  So what does this have to do with RDF?

Nothing, except that RDF was the source of the "we need universal names"
angst in XML.

|> The whole business of needing universal names or whatever by day before
|> yesterday originated in the murky depths of what became the RDF activity.
 
| I never heard this from the RDF activity.  Do you have a citation? 

The specific URLs, no, because the www-xml-sig archive is in permanent
deepfreeze at lists.w3.org.  But since you insist, here are two excerpts:

1)
Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:01:33 -0400 (EDT)
Resent-Message-Id: <199708061901.PAA28333@w...>
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:00:33 -0700
From: Jon.Bosak@e... (Jon Bosak)
Message-Id: <199708061900.MAA22891@b...>
To: w3c-xml-sig@w...
Subject: Name spaces

This message begins a discussion of name spaces intended to serve as
input to the XML WG in its formation of a position paper to be
completed at the WG meeting on August 22 and submitted to the W3C RDF
WG in time for an RDF meeting on August 27.  The position thus arrived
at will form the basis for a name space specification that will
eventually be included in XML 1.1. [...]

2)
Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:54:38 -0500 (EST)
Resent-Message-Id: <199802101854.NAA28738@w...>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:53:10 -0800
From: Jon.Bosak@e... (Jon Bosak)
Message-Id: <199802101853.KAA22851@b...>
To: w3c-xml-sig@w...
Subject: Name space requirements for RDF

[I accidentally posted this to the WG rather than the SIG.  Since we
are now formally turning our attention to name spaces, further
discussion of this should take place in the SIG.]

Ralph Swick informs me that he has published the most recent draft of
name space requirements from the RDF Model and Syntax WG as

   http://www.w3.org/RDF/Group/1998/02/NOTE-rdf-ns-reqs-0209

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