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Re: patterns vs. identifiers

• To: Arjun Ray <aray@n...>
• Subject: Re: patterns vs. identifiers
• From: Uche Ogbuji <uche.ogbuji@f...>
• Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:21:02 -0600
• Cc: xml-dev@l...
• In-reply-to: Message from Arjun Ray <aray@n...> of "Mon, 26 Aug 2002 03:51:48 -0000." <579jmu0ntcfed1p2n702794qal53558pd1@4...>
• Sender: uche.ogbuji@f...

> Uche Ogbuji <uche.ogbuji@f...> wrote:
> | [Arjun Ray:]
> 
> |> When it comes to naming things, there seems to be two schools of thought,
> |> platonist naming by provenance and instrumental naming by purpose.  
> | 
> | Humph!  I see far more than these 2 "schools of thought". 
> 
> I'm sorry, I didn't make it obvious enough that I was talking about names
> for markup. 
> 
> |> Universal names are a chimera, a maguffin.
> | 
> | Yes.  So what does this have to do with RDF?
> 
> Nothing, except that RDF was the source of the "we need universal names"
> angst in XML.
> 
> |> The whole business of needing universal names or whatever by day before
> |> yesterday originated in the murky depths of what became the RDF activity.
>  
> | I never heard this from the RDF activity.  Do you have a citation? 
> 
> The specific URLs, no, because the www-xml-sig archive is in permanent
> deepfreeze at lists.w3.org.  But since you insist, here are two excerpts:

I do appreciate your effort.


> 1)
> Resent-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 15:01:33 -0400 (EDT)
> Resent-Message-Id: <199708061901.PAA28333@w...>
> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 12:00:33 -0700
> From: Jon.Bosak@e... (Jon Bosak)
> Message-Id: <199708061900.MAA22891@b...>
> To: w3c-xml-sig@w...
> Subject: Name spaces
> 
> This message begins a discussion of name spaces intended to serve as
> input to the XML WG in its formation of a position paper to be
> completed at the WG meeting on August 22 and submitted to the W3C RDF
> WG in time for an RDF meeting on August 27.  The position thus arrived
> at will form the basis for a name space specification that will
> eventually be included in XML 1.1. [...]
> 
> 2)
> Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:54:38 -0500 (EST)
> Resent-Message-Id: <199802101854.NAA28738@w...>
> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:53:10 -0800
> From: Jon.Bosak@e... (Jon Bosak)
> Message-Id: <199802101853.KAA22851@b...>
> To: w3c-xml-sig@w...
> Subject: Name space requirements for RDF
> 
> [I accidentally posted this to the WG rather than the SIG.  Since we
> are now formally turning our attention to name spaces, further
> discussion of this should take place in the SIG.]
> 
> Ralph Swick informs me that he has published the most recent draft of
> name space requirements from the RDF Model and Syntax WG as
> 
>    http://www.w3.org/RDF/Group/1998/02/NOTE-rdf-ns-reqs-0209

So it looks as if this last link is the pertinent citation.

Of course as I try to follow it, I get an HTTP log-in box and then

"Sorry, Unauthorized.
The URL you are requesting requires proper authentication."

I swear to the goddess that the W3C makes me want to spit up a flood, 
sometimes.


-- 
Uche Ogbuji                                    Fourthought, Inc.
http://uche.ogbuji.net    http://4Suite.org    http://fourthought.com
Track chair, XML/Web Services One Boston: http://www.xmlconference.com/
Basic XML and RDF techniques for knowledge management, Part 7 - http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-think12.html
Keeping pace with James Clark - http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-jclark.html
Python and XML development using 4Suite, Part 3: 4RDF - http://www-105.ibm.com/developerworks/education.nsf/xml-onlinecourse-bytitle/8A1EA5A2CF4621C386256BBB006F4CEC

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