Re: [Fwd: Potential Gap (WAS Re: [owl-s] communication between
i agree with all of that. so far all this technology has just given me a neater way of doing things, but not a smarter way. i feel like the technology is at ape intelligence - way short of human intelligence. rick Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote: >As I scroll through the latest round of Web services vs REST debates, >it's like watching the American presidential election. I read articles >which attempt to characterize the complexity of web services with >page counts of the specs, but they don't explain how the alternatives >will support the complexities of large scale enterprise applications. >Or they say, 'we don't do those so we don't care' which is fine but >worthless as critique. > >In other words, no one seems to deal with the issues, they are just >banging away at the reputation of their opposition and no matter >how one dresses that up, it is just demogoguery intended to confuse >the marketplace. > >A feedback loop for learning requires one to be willing to learn. >That means measurements of the problem, not measurements of the >containers. > >So far, I haven't seen much about the semantic web services that I can't >do with code except reuse the code blindly. So I am a bit sceptical >of the immediate utility, but I've been wrong before about things like >that. On the other hand, with regards to web services, from where I >sit, there are immediate needs to apply this technology and I am not >concerned that major vendors are pulling away into small teams to >get the work done faster. I am very concerned that policy for its >application (eg, privacy guidelines, retention guidelines, access >guidelines, and so on) are not being created particularly in the >U.S.A. where the implementations will penetrate the systems fast >once we are past the upcoming election. In a millieu in which it >has become acceptable to deny facts, fudge measurements, and otherwise >just bang on the opposition without regard to the reality of the >situation on the ground, I am pessimistic about how well this >conflation of technical politics and governance will work out in >the near term. To use a feedback loop, one has to be willing >to learn not just redirect fire on the same target. > >len > >From: Rick Marshall [mailto:rjm@z...] > >all the ws-* stuff and all the owl stuff will need similar feedback >loops for learning. they will need to cope with generalities and >specifics. they will need access to computer equivalents of google and >they will need a way to evaluate the results. > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >The xml-dev list is sponsored by XML.org <http://www.xml.org>, an >initiative of OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> > >The list archives are at http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ > >To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the subscription >manager: <http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/index.php> > > >
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