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• To: 'Rick Marshall' <rjm@z...>, Chiusano Joseph <chiusano_joseph@b...>
• Subject: RE: [Fwd: Potential Gap (WAS Re: [owl-s] communication between web services)]
• From: "Bullard, Claude L (Len)" <len.bullard@i...>
• Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:45:31 -0500
• Cc: "'Thomas B. Passin'" <tpassin@c...>, xml-dev@l...

As I scroll through the latest round of Web services vs REST debates, 
it's like watching the American presidential election.  I read articles 
which attempt to characterize the complexity of web services with 
page counts of the specs, but they don't explain how the alternatives 
will support the complexities of large scale enterprise applications. 
Or they say, 'we don't do those so we don't care' which is fine but 
worthless as critique.  

In other words, no one seems to deal with the issues, they are just 
banging away at the reputation of their opposition and no matter 
how one dresses that up, it is just demogoguery intended to confuse 
the marketplace.  

A feedback loop for learning requires one to be willing to learn. 
That means measurements of the problem, not measurements of the 
containers. 

So far, I haven't seen much about the semantic web services that I can't 
do with code except reuse the code blindly.  So I am a bit sceptical 
of the immediate utility, but I've been wrong before about things like 
that.  On the other hand, with regards to web services, from where I 
sit, there are immediate needs to apply this technology and I am not 
concerned that major vendors are pulling away into small teams to 
get the work done faster.  I am very concerned that policy for its 
application (eg, privacy guidelines, retention guidelines, access 
guidelines, and so on) are not being created particularly in the 
U.S.A. where the implementations will penetrate the systems fast 
once we are past the upcoming election.   In a millieu in which it 
has become acceptable to deny facts, fudge measurements, and otherwise 
just bang on the opposition without regard to the reality of the 
situation on the ground, I am pessimistic about how well this 
conflation of technical politics and governance will work out in 
the near term.   To use a feedback loop, one has to be willing 
to learn not just redirect fire on the same target.

len

From: Rick Marshall [mailto:rjm@z...]

all the ws-* stuff and all the owl stuff will need similar feedback 
loops for learning. they will need to cope with generalities and 
specifics. they will need access to computer equivalents of google and 
they will need a way to evaluate the results.

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