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• To: "'Bullard, Claude L \(Len\)'" <clbullar@i...>, "'Simon St.Laurent'" <simonstl@s...>, <xml-dev@l...>
• Subject: RE: constructive (was RE: Markup perspective not code)
• From: "Didier PH Martin" <martind@n...>
• Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 12:45:00 -0400
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Hi Len

Simon said:
Stop at the parser.  Let communities with needs beyond the parser build 
their own toolsets, and _don't call it XML_.

Len said:
Call them XML applications and XML systems.

Didier replies:
Exactly. An XML document stand alone is:
a) a dead piece of information/knowledge if not
	a.1) use by a machine for some process
	a.2) used by a living organism to get some information/knowledge
b) a useful piece of information/knowledge if:
	b.1) used by a machine for some process
	b.2) used by a living organism to get some information/knowledge

I think that we should pursuit the goal to have programs processing XML
document to be as readable as possible (see all references in Software
psychology - for neophytes just do a google research with software
psychology in it and you'll probably end up with several documents form
Ben Schnederman). Obviously, XML document should be also as readable as
possible.

Len, from my observations I discovered that today the positions are
polarized around two poles:
a) an XML document as an open and readable document and the programs
used to process it as a black box and mostly messy and barely readable.
b) XML as a black box and mostly messy and barely readable and readable
programs (but not necessarily open).

The value of the whole chain can be corrupted by one of its links.

My point is to go beyond these two poles and try to make both the
programs and the XML documents readable. I won't say that as Mike called
it that the DOM is a space suit but more as a 19 century diving suit. It
was good at the time taking into account the maturity of XML and the
knowledge people got about it. Now, its time to move to space suits and
go beyond the DOM.

Cheers
Didier PH Martin

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