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• To: "Simon St.Laurent" <simonstl@s...>
• Subject: Re: Architectural Forms (was Re: XHTML 2.0 and the death)
• From: Uche Ogbuji <uche.ogbuji@f...>
• Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:53:54 -0600
• Cc: xml-dev@l...
• In-reply-to: Message from "Simon St.Laurent" <simonstl@s...> of "Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:28:32 EDT." <r01050300-1015-03FE3933ADEF11D69D4E0003937A08C2@[192.168.124.21]>
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Catching up, in part.

> Uche Ogbuji:
> > > (and architectural forms).  
> > 
> > So how often do you use architectural forms?
> 
> Actually, I use them all them all the time.  I use a weak and maybe
> corrupt version called the CLASS attribute in HTML, but it's really
> handy for saying things like "this DIV is really a PRODUCT_NUMBER".  CSS
> does nicely with that, and so can XSLT.

If that's what you call using AFs, then I predict this argument's going 
nowhere fast.  It does confirm what I thought, though.


> I haven't used AFs for attributes since XLink dropped them, but elements
> are more typically what concerns me.

As I said.  Confirmed.


> > I must say that for the vocabularies I deal with, I prefer XLink's
> > current approach to the AF approach.  It's possible that I would feel
> > differently about this is XML had an AF mechanism that was as simple
> > and widespread as XML Namespaces.
> 
> I think namespaces are widely supported, yes.  Whether namespaces are
> actually as good an idea as AFs (or as simple in principle) is still a
> topic for some hot debate.  Check the archives for postings by Arjun Ray
> or Steven Newcomb for more details on this.
> 
> The deeper we get into namespaces, the more I appreciate AFs.  I can't
> say I thought that would happen.

I just want to point out that I like AFs.  I like the ideas behind them, and I 
appreciate the arguments that have been made that they are a more general 
system than namespaces.  My point is that this is all abstract AFAIC, because 
I don't use them.  None of my tools do, and I haven't got around to using 
anything that does.  I do use namespaces all the time, though, and usually 
with little incident, so I am naturally fine with a solution based on NS.


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