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On Thu, 2014-03-27 at 15:45 +0000, Ihe Onwuka wrote: > On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:42 AM, Liam R E Quin <liam@xxxxxx> wrote: > > On Thu, 2014-03-27 at 01:39 +0000, Ihe Onwuka wrote: > >> Step 1. Encourage people to use XRX or some approximation thereof for > >> the prototype or PofC of their application. > > > > How would we do that? > > > > Guerilla tactics. > > Talk directly to the people who have ownership of the problems they > want solved . There are an awful lot of people. One thing I'm seeing now which disturbs me is people moving to HTML 5 for complex documents - e.g. book or journal publishers - where there is a need for long-term archiving. It's much better than Word Perfect / Ventura Publisher / Word Perfect / WordsStar files on floppies or Zip discs, for sure (I think I might still have some Magic Wand files somewhere), but it's a fraction of their potential - book publishers, like film studios and distributors, generally think of their products as atomic, single units: you publish a book and archive it on a shelf until you do the next edition. But really they are treasure-mines, the untapped lodestone, the unopened sock-drawer of the mind. I hope (if I get further with the writing in time, and if it's acceptable), more on this in August. > You try and get in at the prototype and PofC stage before the IT bods > have had a chance to over-engineer anything and to stay under the > radar of the risk management programme. It helps if you can come in > within the budgetary discretion of one or a few people. Yes. > Simon Peyton-Jones says that Excel is the worlds most widely used > functional programming language. You cannot get an investment banking > internship without some Excel sklils in your portfolio. > > How do you think it got to be that way? Lotus 1 2 3 was a "killer application" until IBM bought it and Microsoft killed it by giving away one that was almost as good. [...] > > I loved the "NoXML" idea. The term "NoSQL" has been a word used to make a brand, to market the idea that you can have a database query language other than SQL, that not all databases have to be relational. Someone in this thread (I think - maybe you can identify yourself?) mentioned using NoXML as a way to say that our XML tools operate on trees and forests, not pointy brackets, and to "reinvent" and "rebrand" XML a bit. Maybe NoDOM would be good too. > Dunno what that means. This is where being thick helps. It enforces a > simplicity to your communication that will never confuse the > recipient. You have too high a level of literacy for me to think you "thick", but I am happy to accept I didn't communicate clearly! > Inertia - I don't think having all those spreadsheets was part of any > banks strategic plan. Having over a million lines of XSLT is not unheard of. Often a lot of that is automatically generated to handle XML-based messages sent over the Web (e.g. SOAP, Web services), but systems usually grow rather than shrink. -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/ Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org freenode/#xml
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