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Re: RE: Namespace use cases

• From: Robert Koberg <rob@koberg.com>
• To: XML Developers List <xml-dev@lists.xml.org>
• Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:18:32 -0700

inline correction below...


On Jul 9, 2009, at 6:14 PM, Robert Koberg wrote:

>
> On Jul 9, 2009, at 5:59 PM, Jim Tivy wrote:
>
>> I would love to hear of some success or horror stories of multi- 
>> namespaces
>> in authoring content.  Anyone out there doing this in DITA,  
>> DocBook, open
>> office...
>>
>> What ever happened to the compound document?
>
> We do it. Our content pieces usually consist of a custom root  
> element to define the content type (and to provide easy xsl:template/ 
> @match). Then the majority is XHTML unless a custom inline or block  
> level element would work better for the authoring experience. We use  
> the core XHTML attributes on the custom elements, usually, and add  
> what is needed, but don't add custom attributes to the XHTML  
> elements. We made/make custom XML Schemas that mix custom elements/ 
> attributes with a subset of XHTML. This allows for really simple XSL  
> templating where a good percentage can be passed through the XSL  
> identity template and the gets defaulted to span|div calss="{local- 
> name()" but overridden when needed. (This is one of the

............................^

identity template and the custom elements get defaulted to....


> beauties of XSL that cannot be easily repeated in XQuery.)
>
> When I witness these debates/conversations people seem to speak for  
> different vantage points:
> * the XML parser/processor developer type
> * the technical specialist who might choose or define schemas
> * the authors who write XML in a text editor with no IDE help
> * the authors who use tools to write XML (WYSIWYG or IDE)
>
> In my experience, using Xopus and some simple forms, the authors  
> don't know and rarely care if the behind the scenes document is in  
> XML. I fall into the tech specialist camp and work for the authors  
> who use tools. For me, I don't see a problem with namespaces...
>
> best,
> -Rob
>
>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Micah Dubinko [mailto:micah.dubinko@marklogic.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:35 PM
>> To: Jim Tivy
>> Cc: 'Michael Kay'; 'Kurt Cagle'; 'XML Developers List'
>> Subject: Namespace use cases
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 8, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Jim Tivy wrote:
>>
>>> But how well they address all use cases I do not know.  I would be
>>> interested to hear about use cases where Xml namespaces fail and
>>> rough sketches of better technologies.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>
>> What are the actual (as opposed to supposedly "common knowledge")
>> contemporary use cases for a namespacing mechanism (in light of
>> current discussion, as needed in HTML)? My informal research shows
>> that the use cases used in introductory materials to explain XML
>> namespaces are normally very contrived.
>>
>> Perhaps it's time to come up with a new list?
>>
>> -m
>>
>>
>>
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