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Just thought of something that might hopefully clarify. Is this a tag? <br/> -Rob On Sep 12, 2008, at 7:05 PM, Robert Koberg wrote: > > On Sep 12, 2008, at 6:47 PM, Mark Shellenberger wrote: > >> So you are suggesting that "to tag" has now become a causality of >> Web 2.0? >> Wonderful. > > I really don't understand the jump you are taking > >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Koberg [mailto:rob@k...] >> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:35 PM >> To: Mark Shellenberger >> Cc: xml-dev@l... >> Subject: Re: Is "markup" a noun or a verb? Do you "markup >> data" or >> "wrap data in tags"? >> >> This sounds right to me: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_(metadata) >> >> >> On Sep 12, 2008, at 5:02 PM, Mark Shellenberger wrote: >> >>> I agree that 'tagging' stuff seems a bit vulgar but it also gets >>> across the >>> message to those that need said message. I make a point of showing >>> the >>> difference between element and tag in conversation regarding XML >>> because >>> those two terms have specific different meanings. >>> >>> But how are 'to markup' or 'to tag' (in the sense of XML/HTML) >>> different? >>> Or is it just a sensibility thing? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Deborah Aleyne Lapeyre [mailto:dalapeyre@m...] >>> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 3:38 PM >>> To: xml-dev@l... >>> Subject: Re: Is "markup" a noun or a verb? Do you "markup >>> data" or >>> "wrap data in tags"? >>> >>> "Preferred" is such a slippery word. In my teaching experience >>> (no preference implied): >>> >>>> 1. I marked up the data. - is the way the professionals in >>> this industry would say it. It sounds fine to most of us, but also >>> confuses many novices, even copyeditors. >>> >>>> 2, 3, and 4 are OK, but nobody talks like this in real life IMO >>> >>>> 5, 6, 7 have never been heard by me in the real world. I also >>> don't like them much (maybe I do have a preference after all) >>> >>> The great unwashed (i.e. professionals in some other business >>> than this Markup stuff) would, I think, mostly agree with Mark, >>> they "tag" their data. >>> >>> Overlap geeks have been heard to call it >>> "applying inline markup" >>> >>> ---------- >>> Yes, Steve, I agree that "to mark up" is a verb, but >>> even "markup" the noun has problems. >>> >>> When Balisage wanted a subtitle to tell people what the >>> conference was actually about, we chose >>> "Balisage:The Markup Conference". >>> Sounded good to us, because we wanted to express that it was more >>> than "Balisage: The XML Conference" since it was perfectly >>> fine to talk about microformats, SGML, non-XML-based mashups >>> and clouds, out-of-line-markup, LMNL, etc. But it left a lot of >>> people wondering what the conference WAS about, and we have had >>> some very odd email reactions and a bunch of business types >>> who do not view the UBL and other tag-related things that >>> they do as "markup". Markup is for text, not data is some eyes. >>> Odd old world. >>> >>> --dal >>> >>> -- >>> = >>> = >>> ==================================================================== >>> Deborah Aleyne Lapeyre mailto:dalapeyre@m... >>> Mulberry Technologies, Inc. http://www.mulberrytech.com >>> 17 West Jefferson Street Direct Phone: >>> 301/315-9633 >>> Suite 207 Phone: >>> 301/315-9631 >>> Rockville, MD 20850 Fax: >>> 301/315-8285 >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Mulberry Technologies: A Consultancy Specializing in XML, XSL, & >>> SGML >>> = >>> = >>> ==================================================================== >>> >>> _______________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> XML-DEV is a publicly archived, unmoderated list hosted by OASIS >>> to support XML implementation and development. 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