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RE: Are documents loosing the web?

• From: Len Bullard <len.bullard@u...>
• To: Eric van der Vlist <vdv@d...>, xml-dev@l...
• Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 08:49:44 -0600

Would that it were such an easy choice.  A resource might be a server (see
Joshua Allen).

We can't gloss past this easily.   The trend has been for some time to have
less document and more application.  The new languages reflect that clearly.
I'm on record saying that we are past the time where the page metaphor is an
innovation focus for the various hypermedia web industries.  Since the HTML
web has been a throwback (ontogeny replicating phylogeny), forms and
fat-client GUI development are the logical follow-on.   Rich hypermedia
clients (Flash, Silverlight) are trendy.   3D, virtual worlds and games are
where there is innovation but that is a very different client compared to
HTML.  Some want to wrap HTML around 3D primitives; others want to (are) put
HTML on the primitives.

The day of the document as the focal point is past.  Why would that be a
problem?  It isn't going away.  It is just one among many options.

len


From: Eric van der Vlist [mailto:vdv@d...] 
 
Le vendredi 01 février 2008 à 08:00 -0600, Len Bullard a écrit :
> Yes.  And that is a good thing.  The web designs have been avoiding the
> obvious for a decade and a half:  a document is not a good GUI and a good
> GUI doesn't wrap a document.  Putting controls inline to the text or
images
> is an early hypertext design and had been discarded for better designs by
> the late 1980s.   The web resulted in an anachronism.

Sure, a document isn't a good GUI, but it doesn't have to be a good GUI
since it's a document, and not an application.

> But this will come back to 'what is a resource' and that debate goes
> straight off the cliff every time.

Yep, it boils down to deciding if resources should be documents or
applications.

Eric

> len

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