RE: You call that a standard?
ISO is political. Extremely. They are also process-bound which makes them reliable and predictable. They admit the existence of politics and plan for it. Process isn't evil; it is the buffer against it. It doesn't always work but overrunning a buffer to achieve a malicious result is something of an art form, yes? The VRML guys did the smart thing. They formed a consortium to work on the technology and liased with ISO to get the documentation process right. It works stunningly well because the inside wheel can turn as fast as it needs to, and the outside wheel turns only as necessary. Is it slower than they like? Yes. Does it keep the standards open and free to implement? Yes. Does it enable any single company to dominate the standard? No. Is the process open to non-members, sadly not. The result of the IP wars is that no one with a bit of business or legal sense does that now. Intel couldn't work in a group like that, so they formed and pay for their own consortium, the 3DIF, to create "Universal formats for 3D on the Web" but in reality, are trying to put a standards patina on their own proprietary tech. Deep pocketed companies can do this, but they should be outed for it. That is also the game as played. Other companies such as Microsoft and Adobe join these private groups, but it is anyone's guess as to how long it will take them to produce anything, and meanwhile, the technical domain they are FUDding languishes because by dint of their brands, the industry waits. This is actively harmful and predatory, but so far, it is legal. The W3C and the W3DC have recognized the utility of IP keiretsu: to indemnify each other against lawsuits, companies join these and sign a participation agreement that says they can't sue each other because royalty-free means royalty-free. If it can't be achieved by being RF and RAND is required, it should remain a specification and never become a standard in the clean and clear sense of the term. Groups like these must liase and work together. X3D and SVG must interoperate and even if there are performance hits for that, the network effect is still better. Otherwise, the faux standards efforts win given the size of the companies that pay for them. What people don't get is that standardization and technical innovation are two entirely separable activities. len -----Original Message----- From: Rich Salz [mailto:rsalz@d...] Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 9:41 AM To: Bullard, Claude L (Len) Cc: xml-dev Subject: Re: You call that a standard? > price to be paid by many in our community who chose > to gut ISO and really did not understand what they > were doing. Their tears now do not move me. > http://news.com.com/2008-1013-5200672.html?tag=nefd.acpro "He also contends that the standards development in governmental organizations, such as the United Nations, is a very politicized process." Oh yeah, the folks who designed network protocols so that the national postal systems, which morphed into the national telegraph systems, which morphed into the national phone systems, which morphed into the national data carriers, could make money charging per bit. You know, don't you, that the acronym ISO had to be deliberately chosen to not stand for anything in English so that AFNOR (the French national standards body) wouldn't walk away? Claiming ISO is any more or less political than W3C, IETF, ANSI, IEEE, OASIS, et al, is ridiculous. Once he's done whining about how web services derailed ebXML, not much else in that article makes sense. WS-I is not a competitor to OASIS. WS-I does not add any IP claims to other's standards. Yes, there are things in the IBM/MSFT web services stack that are proprietary -- I've written about that many times -- but they're not part of WS-I. And, BTW, did he *read* the WS-I IP document? It binds everyone who joins to don't sue cross-license agreement. You cannot get a strong RF policy! Does he *like* OASIS (yes, since it was joint with UN and CEFACT), or dislike it (because it's not a standards organization). /r$ -- Rich Salz, Chief Security Architect DataPower Technology http://www.datapower.com XS40 XML Security Gateway http://www.datapower.com/products/xs40.html XML Security Overview http://www.datapower.com/xmldev/xmlsecurity.html
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