Re: WS-Emperor naked?
On Apr 2, 2004, at 3:04 PM, Tim Bray wrote: > Would anyone here like to argue that the list found in > > http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2004/04/01/WS-Mumble > > is coherent, or sensible, or viable, or generally that the parrot is > not dead? > The list is woefully incomplete; the emperor has far more imaginary jewels on his costume than you list :-) See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2004Feb/0022.html and http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?WebServicesSpecifications for more. Bill de Hora has an RSS feed with updates at http://www.dehora.net/rss/wsasf-rss10.xml I dunno ... having not had to worry about this since the W3C axed the WS Arch group. The parrot is squawking pretty loudly; I don't think he's dead. On the other hand, he's not singing sweet melodies in harmony with the other parrots (hmm, I don't think parrots ever do that, but who am I to miss the opportunity to beat a metaphor to death?). There are a lot of problems chasing web services solutions, solutions chasing real problems, and monopolists looking for a way to stifle the competition in this space. It's ugly. So, IMHO it's not even remotely sensible; on the other hand I think the chaos is a sign of vitality rather than a death struggle. As with most everything, there is a small subset of this stuff that really and truly works, and lots of real enterprises are using SOAP and WSDL (and of course HTTP and XML) for integration projects. The much-maligned UDDI is coming to its own as a way of managing enterprise metadata about all sorts of stuff, including web services. I've never heard of any of our customers (mostly big organizations with lots of big iron) making more than polite inquiries about the WS-* stack, but they're mostly doing this behind the firewall and over proprietary MOM transports, so security, reliability, transactions, etc. are not a WS issue yet. There is a LOT of pent-up demand for WS-Security so that this stuff can work in B2B scenarios without having to agree on the security infrastructure a priori. I would bet (not the farm, but a modest chunk of a paycheck) that BPMN and BPEL are going to emerge from the vapor pretty soon, but there are already some cracks showing in in the facade of unity (e.g. BPELJ).
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