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RE: Re: Can A Web Site Be Reliably Defended Against DoSAttacks

• To: "Bullard, Claude L (Len)" <clbullar@i...>
• Subject: RE: Re: Can A Web Site Be Reliably Defended Against DoSAttacks?
• From: Rick Marshall <rjm@z...>
• Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 08:17:49 +1100
• Cc: "'XML DEV'" <xml-dev@l...>
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education and condoms worked well in australia where there was social
and legal support for the initiatives (gaoling/fining people who are hiv
positive and still have unprotected sex).

south africa with next to none of either is hoping for cheap drugs as
the solution. easy politics, but probably won't make a lot of
difference. just keep sick people alive longer, possibly to infect more
healthy people.

new york got rid of grafiti on the trains (almost) without banning spray
cans.

it can be done. but let's not fool ourselves that technology can fix
human behavior. it can't, it won't, and possibly it shouldn't (i know
you'll disagree, but i think a level of anarchy is good for us).

rick

On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 05:20, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote:
> I haven't seen any alternatives to TCP/IP.  Maybe 
> it is a problem we have gotten used to ignoring 
> in our bliss with our success with the Web.  Maybe 
> it deserves rethinking by minds not wed to their 
> pasts.
> 
> Meanwhile, sure, social approaches, but realize 
> that you are proposing to solve AIDS with condoms. 
> Allopathic approaches help but do not cure. 
> 
> len
> 
> 
> From: Rick Marshall [mailto:rjm@z...]
> 
> ultimately legislation, policing, and punishment can be the only
> solution to minimisation of what we have already determined is a crime.
> that's because it's a social, not a technical problem (like grafiti -
> ban all spray cans?).
> 
> rick
> 
> On Sat, 2004-02-07 at 09:50, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote:
> > Can TCP/IP be reengineered or do we have to keep patching?
> > 
> > Social engineering is a tough solution.  How often have 
> > you heard of all the legislation involved in getting 
> > a loan or passport that requires the clerk to authenticate 
> > you, only to walk in and discover they don't bother?
> > Just an example so all I am asking is if there is a 
> > better approach than the syn/ack TCP/IP process.  Is the 
> > only solution to get off the Internet?  Is that a solution?

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