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RE: Why I Like Longhorn and XAML

• To: "'Simon St.Laurent'" <simonstl@s...>, xml-dev@l...
• Subject: RE: Why I Like Longhorn and XAML
• From: "Bullard, Claude L (Len)" <clbullar@i...>
• Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:26:10 -0600

"OZ never did give nothing to the Tin Man." - America

They already owned their platform.  At least 
they are enabling an XML language that might 
be useful.  From an MSThrall's perspective, 
and that is what this is, and from the guy 
who had to make the decision to turn the 
MID into a tag set that duplicated the windows 
GUI environment a long time ago, there is a 
lot here for me to like.  I admit that part 
of that, as when I saw XUL, is a certain 
vindication.  

When Yuri Rubinsky looked at me in that 
restaurant over breakfast nine years ago and 
said, "No one will implement MID, Len.  HTML wins.", 
I realized just how deep the 'we must sell' 
mentality pervaded even the most hardcore 
SGMLers and that some hard work by some serious 
people was going to be thrown away to enable 
devolution then evolution.  Only Money Matters.  :-(

Others suffer that fate. Many in the AI community 
look at the Semantic Web and want to throw up, 
but just like we did, they will simply repeat 
a cycle in their careers.  Now that the same ideas are 
surfacing on the dominant client platform, 
I take satisfaction if no profit.  Ontogeny 
replicates phylogeny and this is just an 
idea who's time has finally come.

HTML and the others won't go away.  Even though 
the web community is older, this stuff is still 
too hard and too expensive for building web pages. 
It just enables applications to use the web plumbing 
and services.

len


From: Simon St.Laurent [mailto:simonstl@s...]

clbullar@i... (Bullard, Claude L (Len)) writes:
>Why is it a good thing if the XULies do it and 
>a bad thing if MS does it?  Neither invented it 
>so the "copied XUL" arguments are horsefeathers. 

I'm more annoyed about the copied XHTML+SVG+XForms+whatever else you'd
like to put in the stew.  XUL is the least of it to me.  The part that
matters is that they appear to be reinventing for the sole reason of
making it theirs, proprietary, kicking out the NIH.

The goalposts have been high before.  None of that's new.  All that I
see changing here is ownership.

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