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• To: Jeff Lowery <Jeff.Lowery@c...>
• Subject: Re: Extreme Schema-building and Query-writing (was Re: (data) medium is the message)
• From: Mitch Amiano <mamiano@n...>
• Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 22:08:57 -0400
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Jeff Lowery wrote:
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Mike Champion [mailto:mc@x...]

(XPish points omitted)

> Within certain constraints.  If garbage comes in, it goes out.
> 
> I still don't put too much stock in giving users exactly what they say they
> want.  It takes a certain level of skill and experience to look beyond
> immediate desires and arrive at the utmost needs.  We might all want a boat
> to tool around in the water with, except that some of us realize too late
> the moorage, storage, and upkeep costs.  
> 
> Be careful what you ask for, you might get it.

AFAIK, XP isn't about giving user's what they want, it is about 
practicing software development honestly. Sometimes that means 
tearing down the pretense of knowing exactly what is needed, 
and avoiding Big Design Up Front (http://xp.c2.com/BigDesignUpFront.html)

In engineering support, it is often the case that the user community 
would prototype information systems, tools, and departmental databases. 
Sometimes we would do the job from scratch, but we were often called 
in to adopt orphaned systems. Most often when garbage comes in, it 
stays in for far more years than one might imagine, and builds up
other crud around it. 

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