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Re: The subsetting has begun

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• Subject: Re: The subsetting has begun
• From: Mike Champion <mc@x...>
• Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:40:04 -0500
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[hating myself for jumping into this permathread once again :-) ]

On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 07:16:37 -0500, Elliotte Rusty Harold 
<elharo@m...> wrote:

> Sun's recently posted an alpha of J2ME Web Services 
> <http://jcp.org/aboutJava/communityprocess/review/jsr172/index.html> This 
> spec defines a subset of JAXP, SAX, and XML which is only suitable for 
> processing SOAP messages. ... Among other sins

Anyone following sml-dev three years ago would not be surprised to hear 
that vendors are subsetting XML for mobile, data-oriented applications.  
Where's the "sin" here?  What's a cellphone supposed to do with an external 
entity reference, or a notation declaration?  Should well-known 
interoperability antipatterns such as default attribute values be 
encouraged in lightweight applications?

>
> I did not recognize any of the names in the expert group. It is not clear 
> if there is any real XML expert in the group who actually understands XML 
> at a deep level.

Hmm, a group of people out there in the real world took a look at XML, 
picked what they thought they could use in their target environment, and 
ignored the rest.  Reminds me of that effort at the W3C in the mid-90's to 
develop something called "SGML for the Web."

[p.s.  The TAG *hates* crossposts on their public list even worse than I 
hate myself for posting this on xml-dev ]

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