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>>I'm not sure how the latter thread (ConciseXML) argues against direct access. Adam Bosworth is arguing for better support for processing XML in programming languages/APIs while Mike seems to be arguing for a mechanism for serializing objects to markup. Both threads seem complementary to me. << I agree-- I was just addressing the fact that Walter was making claims against serialization while Mike was making claims for it. The Bosworth part of the Bosworth thread wasn't where I saw the irony emerging. Cheers, Jeff Rafter Defined Systems http://www.defined.net XML Development and Developer Web Hosting
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