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Re: IBM's idea off an XML expert

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At 2003-01-03 20:06 +0100, Gerben Rampaart wrote:
>A search on Google points out that the biggest certification available
>at this moment for XML is the one from IBM, (more information here:
>http://www-1.ibm.com/certify/certs/adcdxmlrt.shtml). Though I am curious
>... what do the XML experts on the XML-Dev list think of this

I saw some of the sample questions and many of them were too subjective for 
my tastes for an example on technical knowledge ... some of the answers 
expected were not based on technical accuracy but on very subjective terms 
that sounded as if they came from magazine articles and not W3C 

In the early days some of the answers were just plain wrong.

>Do some of you have it?

Once I saw the questions being asked, I never bothered.

>What is the level?

I don't know what you mean by this.

>Is it worth
>the effort

I don't think so ... but then I'm not looking for an expert myself, so I 
don't know if a recruiter would value such certification.  I would think 
one's accomplishments would speak more to expertise than the answers to 
someone else's questions.

>and does it actually show that you are an XML expert?

I think it shows you've read XML magazines.

I'm not saying one has to be an implementer of XML tools to be an expert, 
but certainly one should be a practitioner of those tools in solving 
real-world problems.

>Are the correct questions asked?

At the time, I didn't think so ... it was years ago when it was getting 
started so this could have changed.

>And why doesn't a company like Microsoft have a
>XML certification (regarding their new .NET strategy and all)...

Who ever knows what Microsoft's strategies are until they are willing to 
tell us?

I would also be curious who on this list values certification.

I remember my father successfully obtained his ICCP certification from the 
"Institute for the Certification of Computer Programmers" and was a 
certified computer programmer ... he is so talented he was only one of less 
than 5% of that year's group who passed the exam, as 95% of the group 
didn't even get a passing grade.  He's been a programming practitioner 
since 1961 (still is!) and made a great reputation for himself in his niche 
(mainframe banking systems in the Toronto area) and I've always been very 
proud of his programming accomplishments.  I've met XML'ers from Toronto at 
XML conferences who either know him or his work.

I think that certificate and 50 cents would buy him a cup of coffee.  I 
don't think any recruiter or customer (he was freelance) respected any 
value in the certificate.

...................... Ken

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