Re: Re: Microsoft and vector graphics (Was:XDocs and XForms?)
Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote: > This won't hunt, Paul. No one is suggesting that MS will > torpedo SVG. You want to redirect the topic away from > the one that disturbs you: MS and yes, all of us, have > options. No, I want to direct it away from the topic that bores me. Here's what interests me. You said: "The browser wars are over. The browser lost." You are wrong on both counts, and that observation is completely orthogonal to the issue of XDocs. I don't care to talk more about XDocs until it is public. >... > 2. Innovations don't come from one source. If the > libraries are powerful, we may get more innovation than > if the lockin constrains us. Between patents and lockins > and fear of the W3C and loathing of the successful, > the web is stagnant. That's simply incorrect. Here are some points of innovation on the Web: http://rss.benhammersley.com/archives/001444.html http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/10/16/021016hnearthblog2.xml?s=IDGNS http://www.movabletype.org/trackback/ http://jabberzilla.mozdev.org/ http://xml.apache.org/batik/ http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-foaf.html http://www.croczilla.com/svg/ http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2002/07/24/xmlportal.html http://ipw.internet.com/site_management/site_tools/986419618.html http://www.vultus.com/ http://www.mozdev.org/logs/top50.html http://www.adobe.com/svg/main.html http://books.slashdot.org/books/02/10/15/0124228.shtml?tid=154 http://plone.org/ http://subversion.tigris.org/ http://annozilla.mozdev.org/index.html I agree that even so things are not moving as fast as they were five or ten years ago. That's not the same as saying they aren't moving. > ... Time for fresh thinking not standards. > Standards cut both ways. If you want the kind of web > development we had five to ten years ago, we will have > to break some existing rules. The kind of web development we had five to ten years ago was *built* on the wide adoption of both de jure and de facto standards. If we are advancing slowly today, it is because it has been quite a while since a browser vendor took on a meaty new standard like SVG and nobody has gotten around to standardizing something like XUL, XBL or HTC. > ... One of them just might > be that the browser, the universal interface, is not the > only viable platform. Nobody ever said it was. It is merely the only platform with the features I listed and those features provide a basis for innovation and interoperability. Paul Prescod
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