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Things built for or driven *mostly* by the military, you *mostly* don't see or drive. Unless it's a Humvee, of course. CALS was a flop. Requirements creep killed it but a lot of the SGML industry made money there. Next time you find yourself paying your team out of your pocket, consider that their checks don't bounce but they have a habit of either cancelling programs that don't deliver, or funding them forever. Flip the coin. One problem with web tech and the military is buggedness. They often want to own the codebase for obvious reasons. Web services may hit the same wall if something isn't done about that problem. ADA works for those who loved it and learned it, but it is huge and a lot to learn. Still, I know people in the aircraft industry who swear by it. Like SecDef Perry's infamous "No more standards" speech, top down orders to adopt any technology across the board application usually choke in the waivers the PMs issue. That was a dumb idea and we knew it then. Still, ADA lovers abound. It would be interesting to hear their input. http://www.darpa.mil/ "The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) is the central research and development organization for the Department of Defense (DoD). It manages and directs selected basic and applied research and development projects for DoD, and pursues research and technology where risk and payoff are both very high and where success may provide dramatic advances for traditional military roles and missions." They seem to think they're DoD. We'll have to review the history of ARPANET. It started out as command and control for DoD after a nuclear blowout. After that, it became a public research project called "The Internet". Still is. len -----Original Message----- From: Tim Bray [mailto:tbray@t...] At 05:17 PM 19/03/02 -0600, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote: > Tim says military support >isn't a reliable predictor. I said it's a weak but useful *negative* predictor. Things built mostly for or driven mostly by the military tend to flop. Examples include CALS and Ada. The obvious counter-example is the Arpanet which was an important step on the road to the Internet, but DARPA and DoD are two very different things, and at no point was the Arpanet primarily of, for, or by the military. -Tim
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