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RE: Two sides of SOAP (was RE: SOAP-RPC and REST and

• To: 'Paul Prescod' <paul@p...>, xml-dev@l...
• Subject: RE: Two sides of SOAP (was RE: SOAP-RPC and REST and security)
• From: "Bullard, Claude L (Len)" <clbullar@i...>
• Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:49:18 -0600

Ok. If that works.  I think of a petition as something 
one person writes and everyone else signs.  I think of a position 
paper as something multiple contributors work on until a consensus 
is reached on the position, and everyone signs.   It might be a 
difference of depth and presentation.

I don't not trust the WSIO.  They don't have a track record yet. 
I note that they have stated that inteoperation is their goal 
and think that such a paper might contribute to their understanding of 
our understanding given that the viewpoints expressed are not so narrow as 
to create opponency where one might obtain consensus.

As to REST over SOAP RPC (however you want to state the opposition 
of a philosophy vs a technology), we will have both.  It behooves us 
IMO to understand both, to help people deal with both, and to 
influence both towards positive ends.  

<phil>Tonight, a synogogue to hear the cantor.  
Tomorrow, a restful place under an oak to hear the 
wind.  My Creator can be found in all these places, 
hears all these voices, and I believe, is made profoundly 
joyful by all their songs.</phil>

len

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Prescod [mailto:paul@p...]

"Bullard, Claude L (Len)" wrote:
> 
> Perhaps before we take up a petition, all concerned developers
> could write a position paper outlining the concerns and possible
> remediations and alternatives. 

A petition is a position paper with many signatures on it.

> ...  This paper could be submitted
> to the WSIO although I am not sure by who or what.

I have no way to know whether I can trust the WSIO and I have no idea
what the politics of it are. I do know that I've seen petitions seem to
work at the W3C. As in petitioned ideas seem to find their ways into
specifications.

> It is a positive move and contributes rather than detracts. 

A petition for technical change is a positive move in favour of better
technology. I was involved once with a petition to split XSLT from XSL
so that it could be used for non-formatting transformations. Some saw
that as a negative petition against XSL. I saw it as a positive petition
in favour of allowing diverse uses of the underlying technology. The
same is true in this case. The petition does not ask SOAP people to give
up anything. It merely asks them to use Internet standard technologies
and techniques for labeling their packets.

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