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RE: RE: MS thinks HTTP Needs Replacing???

• To: 'Mike Champion' <mc@x...>, xml-dev@l...
• Subject: RE: RE: MS thinks HTTP Needs Replacing???
• From: "Bullard, Claude L (Len)" <clbullar@i...>
• Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:01:31 -0600

Disruptive, perhaps, but not much of an innovation. 
 
Really, taking apart the requirements and doing 
the least amount to get the biggest bang works.  Big 
bangs are disruptive, but if you step back, 
hypermedia systems at that time were still very 
much a niche technology even with all the years 
of research.  Without cheap processors and memory, 
none of it works at scale.  That is why the noodlers 
in the academic and research worlds got so far ahead 
in the models and requirements:  no real competition 
and no real integration.  Dexter was as far as I 
can tell, old friends getting together in a cheap 
motel for a long weekend of noodling, but I don't know. :-)

Still, it is worth trying to ascertain if there 
are models or Internet applications for which 
REST is inapplicable or unsustainable.  I've 
got serious guys here who say tightly coupled 
web services are the way to go.  

That said, at the bottom of it, the bigger problem 
is still the emergence and acceptance of common 
vocabularies, same as it ever was.  Regardless of 
what we wrap them in, we still have to build those 
and that is 90% a political/sales job.

len

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Champion [mailto:mc@x...]

2/26/2002 12:49:57 PM, "Bullard, Claude L (Len)" <clbullar@i...> wrote:

>That's a bit fast on the draw, Leigh.  Perhaps some review of 
>that Herzog thesis is in order.  
>
>http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/staff/herzog/thesis
>
>Are you sure REST doesn't fall apart in other models of hypermedia frameworks, 
>or sure we need those frameworks? 

Thanks for that link, it's definitely interesting.  I'd guess from reading the
about the Dexter framework that HTTP/REST  was a classic "disruptive 
innovation".  A recent discussion is at http://www.inc.com/search/23854-
print.html:
"A disruptive innovation is a technologically simple innovation in the form of 
a product, service, or business model that takes root in a tier of the market 
that is unattractive to the established leaders in an industry. Very often this 
occurs at the low end of a market -- that is how Toyota attacked General 
Motors, for example. Or it takes root by providing a simple and inexpensive 
product that enables a new population of customers to begin participating in a 
new application in the market -- as was the case with personal computers"

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