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Dear Julian, and Jonathan. The first part of the letter is for Julian and the second part is for Jonathan. I agree that taken out of context - my insulting letter is bad ( and it is also exceptional for me in many senses ). However, I'm not afraid of somebody discovering that letter in the future, because first of all, it would not be the first thing that people will find about me, if entering my name into Google and also, the context of the thread would be available. (Some things would be kinda hidden, but smart person can get the details pretty easy and I don't care about stupid persons, investigating my past.) The archives of Internet contain many letters from me that contain my mistakes (plenty of, including conversational ones) e t.c, but I'm not afraid if somebody would browse those letters, because I have nothing to hide. I make mistakes, sure. Everybody does. I also agree that I should start flaming immediately after receiving the first insults or not to flame at all, that would be more consistent comparing to what I've done, but as this thread should show to the person, who may try reading it from the beginning - I first tried to find any constructive way to resolve the problem in a constructive way (and a problem is slightly bigger than a few words in some paper), but I failed with that. Then I started flaming. I would not flame any longer. It has no point. I also agree that I overreacted to this RDDL situation, because it is really nothing special. The game played with RDDL has been played many times before. RDDL was derived from some of my ideas. As this thread shows, RDDL works and always has been working against my ideas, but my name is listed in a 'contributors' part. I'm not a contributor to *such* a thing and for several times I've asked for my name to get removed from the RDDL website, but it is still there. Not only that request was ignored, but almost every constructive question from me has been ignored by the editor of RDDL Spec (which was derived from some of my ideas, sorry to repeat that ). The first two letters (not just one) from the Editor of RDDL specs were a plain insult with zero constructive content. This thing stinks, sorry. For the fourth time I'm asking to remove my name from RDDL website and I wish that'l made it. Now after thinking for some time, I need to make some statement. I came to this list long time ago, as a naive developer. I tried asking some stuff ( I was very polite in the beginning ) to get educated by experienced SGML and XML developers and gurus who are working in such a very important area as XML. I'm not kidding. That's the way it was. Somehow most of the relevant answers I got - I got them off-list ( funny, but for this thread this is also true - the most important information came off-list). That looked very strange to me, because in most other developers lists, the off-list correspondence is not the most interesting thing, but the discussion of technical problems on-list - that was the most important part. Also, I should say ( and I really think that ) that there are many interesting and experienced people reading XML-dev ( I know that some of them make better developers than myself and I know that some of them are plain brilliant ). I also know that sometimes some interesting conversations started to happen on-list, but then I noticed that somehow most of those open-minded and constructive technical conversations usually mutate into something very strange and non-constructive. Actually, it takes one moron to kill a reasonable conversation. There are some morons on any list, but with XML-dev it is more subtle, because the number of morons is actually low. And I don't think, for example, that Jonathan is a moron. My point was to tell that nice, productive conversations happening on-list are very easy to kill. And I see that they get killed here all the time, sorry. The RDDL thing was the final drop, because it made everything crystal clear for me. I've spent years on this list. I would miss some people whom I found on this list ( including some new posters ), but : This is my last letter to this list. The next would be a request to unsubscribe. I think I'm done with XML. It stinks. It is dead. Literally. I would like to say 'thank you' to many good people who will continue trying to do their best to clean the mess that would be constantly failing on their heads ( that's for sure ) but I ( finally ) see a little technical value in 'XML' as a family of technologies. XML is a social stuff. It is for politicians. Friends don't let friends to use XML tools. ( <comment>That was a joke</comment> ). Not that I would stop producing some XML stuff - I have plenty things to write - but I would not be subscribed to XML-dev, so I think that I would announce the next versions on SML-dev and maybe will not announce at all, just publish on a website. As to RDDL 'replacement'. I have all the core structures ready ( No XLink, sorry, just plain XML anybody can understand ) and it should take a few days to complete it. It *can not* be used to 'improve' the RDDL, because RDDL *can not* be improved for many technical reasons that I've described. When I finish, I'll send the URL to Dare and Nicolas (because in my opinion their understanding of the problem is the clear one. I think that happens because they have not spent a long time on XML-dev list. I am serious.) Then they may publish the URL on XML-dev so that people would see how the namespaces puzzle may be addressed in a way different to RDDL. I would let the community decide what to do with that, because I have no desire to build a website or anything for that solution, because the namespaces are irrelevant in my XML universe, so that solution would be an illustration only. In my opinion, the 'namespaces' problem is : 'How can one ( human or computer ) locate some resources on the web, that would be relevant to some namespace - in a simple way'. Maybe RDDL is positioned as a solution to this problem, maybe not - it is hard to tell. I tried asking for a long time. They're not really answering (still). 'Polite silence' to really important questions is a style in XML world. I'm happy, that I would not need to keep hitting this polite (dead) body. All the best. Dear Jonathan, I greatly respect your specialty, because I know how hard it is to become a professional in the area of your expertise and how much time does it take. However, I believe that any open-minded person should understand that being professional in one complex area does not make the same person to be equally professional in *every* other complex area. My point is that if I would take some of your ideas in *your* area and then I would start preparing some standard for *your* area and after *you* would call that standard a 'joke' - I will start questioning *your* professional capabilities ( I wish you follow the logic here, if you don't - try re-reading your first letters and the first part of this letter ) - so I guess that if we'd play this situation other way around, your reaction would be comparable to mine. I mean that you would ask me what the hell did I did before in that area? And please don't try to say that it will not be that way. That would be strange of you if it would not be that way. Somehow, when in comes to computers, people start assuming that long years of experience are not required to write / design software. In my opinion, the things that you're doing on your primary job are much more important and influencing for human beings, than RDDL thing. Unfortunately, in a couple of years that may change. I think that participation in such an influencing technology ( as RDDL could possibly become ) should imply the appropriate level of experience in writing computer software. That means that I may apologize for some wording, ( sure there is a subjective factor, it appears that I just got tired of XML-dev ) but I think that because of your actions, the core scenario of this flame was unavoidable because of some objective reasons as well. I wish you good luck with your social activity with RDDL (which is important thing in XML world) However, as I've said - I still see no technical value in RDDL ( I see problems, because RDDL increases the namespaces noise ) and my suggestion would (still) be not to try pushing it for writing distributed java applications. It may start killing people occasionally, like some ill-designed technologies do already. Documents are usually peaceful. Programs are not. All the best. Rgds.Paul. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Reschke" <julian.reschke@g...> To: "Paul T" <pault12@p...>; "Nicolas Lehuen" <nicolas.lehuen@u...>; "Jonathan Borden" <jborden@m...>; "Leigh Dodds" <ldodds@i...>; <xml-dev@l...>; "Joe English" <jenglish@f...> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 10:48 AM Subject: RE: Re: What a namespace is. > Paul, > > I can only hope for you that when at some point in the future somebody wants > to find out more about *you*, he/she will not come across *this* posting. > > Julian > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paul T [mailto:pault12@p...] > > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 7:10 PM > > To: Nicolas Lehuen; Jonathan Borden; Leigh Dodds; xml-dev@l...; > > Joe English > > Subject: Re: Re: What a namespace is. > >
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