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Re: Why would MS want to make XML break on UNIX, Perl, Python

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• Subject: Re: Why would MS want to make XML break on UNIX, Perl, Python, etc ?
• From: "Rick Jelliffe" <ricko@a...>
• Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:46:19 +1100
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From: "Dare Obasanjo" <kpako@y...>
  
> I was wondering how long it would take for someone to throw in a good dose of
> anti-Microsoft paranoia, I'm surprised it lasted this long. :)

Leaving aside Microsoft's legal status as a monopolist, are you saying that any
criticism or watchfulness of MS is paranoia? That is naive in the extreme. 

Actually, I did not even criticize MS, but only a tendency which some people in 
MS seem to have, which can be put down to groupthink without resorting to anything
more sinister. In fact I went out of my way to mention that some in MS are 
doing excellent work, in my experience, and that that I had heard from senior 
management that keeping to standards was company policy.  

> Personally, I've always felt that if one wants to debate a point and be taken
> seriously it makes sense to avoid ad hominem attacks and unwarranted finger
> pointing  especially if these points can be easily refuted. Here are a few
> questions I'd like to ask you;

An ad hominem attack is one that attacks a person rather than an idea.  I am not saying 
Mr Rys is wrong in this because he works for MS. That would be ad hominem. 
I have given reasons why I think he is wrong, to say who it would disadvantage: 
 
> 1.) Exactly how common is piping XML (not ASCII) used in UNIX applications? I
> have never seen a UNIX app that does this.

Many programs use standard input.

> 2.) Why would MSFT want to break XML usage in .NET languages like Perl and
> Python?

I have never said that MS wants to, if you read my original post.
 
> 3.) Since when did every opinion put forward by an employee of a corporation
> on a public discussion forum become CAST IN STONE company policy?

Again, I never said that.

> 4.) Micheal is not the only one who was in favor of XML 1.1, so what are your
> conspiracy theories regarding the others that mentioned support for the idea
> on XML-dev or Reuter's Health or  the W3C for that matter? Launching into a
> paranoid anti-MSFT tirade does little to improve perception of the validity of
> your dissent but does make one wonder whether your reason for dissension is
> even rational or based on the Anything But MSFT meme that flows all across the
> net.

Because I did not launch into a paranoid anto-MS attack, I cannot answer you.

Cheers
Rick Jelliffe

• References:
  • RE: Some comments on the 1.1 draft
    • From: "Michael Rys" <mrys@m...>
  • Why would MS want to make XML break on UNIX, Perl, Python, etc ?
    • From: "Rick Jelliffe" <ricko@a...>
  • Re: Why would MS want to make XML break on UNIX, Perl, Python, etc ?
    • From: "Dare Obasanjo" <kpako@y...>

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