Re: browsers with XSL capabilities
There are Linux programs that can read MS Word documents. KWord, StarOffice, and AbiWord come to mind as examples. But I believe you are missing the point. I am not talking about a binary compiled program. I am talking about taking a platform-neutral standardized language and transmission mechanism and "extending" it to make it proprietary. That is not something that should be supported. By using such proprietary extensions, you are locking out a segment of the user population completely, who, for whatever reason, do not or can not use that proprietary system. That is just bad business. (IE 5.5 has a higher set of system requirements than IE 5.0 or 4.0, 20% of web users still use Netscape 4.x, a decent chunk of users use Linux, etc. Windows may have more than 85% market share, but IE 5.5 doesn't even reach 50%.) And yes, I am a student, although I also do part-time web development for various clients. Is there some reason why you hope I don't teach? I run both Windows and Linux, and in fact spend most of my time in Windows. But every web site I design I make sure works on as many browsers and platforms as I can, so as to reach the widest possible market. That's just good business. And that's the end of the off-topic from me as well. (I just got Rob's last e-mail a few seconds ago.) Robert Koberg wrote: > So the content editors or writers, in your experience, use Word... (but > aren't you a student?) > > Is there a linux version? > > We are talking about a content editor/writer's tool. We are not talking > about a server platform or a java developer's environment. Most editors I > know have to use some kind of entry system to get their material into XML. > > What if those editors could use a wyswig client tool? instead of something > that is an html form based system? Do you think they might be pleased? > > If those editors use Word, then you have an extra step (or a VB program = > extra step...) to convert that to XML, right? > > Look, I use Linux (as a hobby to keep up, but can't too much practical use > for what I do) and MSWindow. I originally started on a Mac and there is no > greater hater of Microsoft than a Mac user. But at some point reality > enters the picture. > > I see that you are a student (or at least you have an .edu - I hope you > don't teach...). Well, I hope your world doesn't change too much when you > graduate. Try to get email from your corporation's exchange server (yea, the > web client is great...), or try to read the MSExcel phone list, expense > report, whatever or try to view the CEO's powerpoint presentation, etc, etc, > etc. > > I sure would hate to be an idealist graduating in this job market. If you > can, then more power to you. I do know people who can - some java developers > and sys admins. But they have a MSWin machine to deal with the other > aspects of office life. But, of course we are talking about content > editors/writers, right? > > I am not against Linux or open source or standards (in fact I would love to > see it succeed), but they have to work for the people who pay me. OK? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Garfield" <lgarfiel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <xsl-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 7:17 PM > Subject: Re: browsers with XSL capabilities > > > Most content editors or writers I know use MS Word. Every low-end web > > developer I know has never even heard of XML, and wouldn't know "good" > HTML > > if it bit them on the ass. Every high-end developer I know and every > > XML-savvy person I know uses or is familiar with Linux. > > > > Add to that the benefits of developing on the same platform as you are > > serving, and the fact that Apache (61% market share) on Linux (33% server > > market share) is one of the most common web server platforms if not the > most > > popular, and the plethora of XML or XSLT serving tools for > Apache/Linux.... > > > > But if you don't care about all of those people, that's your right. But > for > > every user you lock into using only the MS suite, you'll have another who > > doesn't want to or can't be tied to a single proprietary system, and you > > lose them. That's why open standards exist. The use of proprietary > > extensions should be discouraged, not encouraged. > > > > Robert Koberg wrote: > > > > > who really cares? > > > > > > How many editors/writers do you know who use linux? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Larry Garfield" <lgarfiel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > To: <xsl-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 6:29 PM > > > Subject: Re: browsers with XSL capabilities > > > > > > > Robert Koberg wrote: > > > > > > > > > For an editor's application requiring something as pervasive as a MS > > > browser > > > > > does not seem to be hard to swallow. > > > > > > > > Is IE 5.5 available for Linux? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Larry Garfield > > > > lgarfiel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > Do you have a PalmOS Organizer? Click here to add me to your address > > > book: > > > > http://signature.coola.com/?lgarfiel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > -- "If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you." :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XSL-List info and archive: http://www.mulberrytech.com/xsl/xsl-list > > > > > > > > > > XSL-List info and archive: http://www.mulberrytech.com/xsl/xsl-list > > > > -- > > Larry Garfield > > lgarfiel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Do you have a PalmOS Organizer? Click here to add me to your address > book: > > http://signature.coola.com/?lgarfiel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > -- "If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you." :-) > > > > > > > > XSL-List info and archive: http://www.mulberrytech.com/xsl/xsl-list > > > > XSL-List info and archive: http://www.mulberrytech.com/xsl/xsl-list -- Larry Garfield lgarfiel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do you have a PalmOS Organizer? Click here to add me to your address book: http://signature.coola.com/?lgarfiel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- "If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you." :-) XSL-List info and archive: http://www.mulberrytech.com/xsl/xsl-list
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